Reynolds, I'm a dangerous-minded man on a ship loaded with hurt. Now, why you got me chatting with your peons?

Womack ,'The Message'


Natter 77: I miss my friends. I miss my enemies. I miss the people I talked to every day.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Calli - Jul 11, 2022 11:54:55 am PDT #16237 of 30000
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

there's a sense of handing down the family lore to me. That with the passing of generations you either open up about those secrets or all that history/context becomes lost.

There are things in my family that I think should be handed down because they could definitely affect future generations. For example, a nasty strain of alcoholism on Mom's side of the family. I suspect there's a genetic component that the family needs to be aware of. So we'll keep talking about great grandpa who drank the family farm away, and grandpa who ruined every Christmas via booze.

Then there are things that I want handed down because I think they're nifty—part of what makes us us. There's the grandmother who skied to teach at her one-room school house in northern Michigan 100 years ago. There's the other grandma waking up from a dream that her son was knocking at the front door saying, "Let me in, Ma, I'm so cold" at the exact time that he was treading water in the ocean due to his plane being shot down by the enemy. There are mysteries about name changes and temporary disappearances. There are stories about how people got through the Great Depression and the less-advertised side of the 1950s.

I'm glad that Labor Day weekend gatherings have become a thing, because those are great opportunities to share with the next generation.


Scrappy - Jul 11, 2022 12:41:10 pm PDT #16238 of 30000
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

My mom’s dad died of alcoholism when she was 12. We didn’t find this out until we were in our teens, from an older cousin. Interestingly, my mom got furious when we brought it up to her and would not talk about it. Both of my parents were alcoholics and deep in denial. Many years later, she decided to go to rehab, and the thing she said to announce it (while drunk) was “I don’t want to die like Daddy.” She stopped then and never had another drink.

Another, more romantic secret has to do with my grandmother and step-grandfather (Grandpa John). She divorced the aforesaid alcoholic grandfather when my mom was young and did not remarry until her four children were teens. They were all told that they fell for each other and got married quickly. However, long after they died, we found an old photo album of his, and there were pictures of her sailing with him BEFORE SHE WAS DIVORCED. And one page with a huge picture of her face that just said “Katherine”. Getting divorced in the 30s in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan was already shocking, so the family thinks maybe they were “together” long before anyone knew.


DavidS - Jul 11, 2022 1:26:17 pm PDT #16239 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Then there are things that I want handed down because I think they're nifty—part of what makes us us. There's the grandmother who skied to teach at her one-room school house in northern Michigan 100 years ago. There's the other grandma waking up from a dream that her son was knocking at the front door saying, "Let me in, Ma, I'm so cold" at the exact time that he was treading water in the ocean due to his plane being shot down by the enemy. There are mysteries about name changes and temporary disappearances. There are stories about how people got through the Great Depression and the less-advertised side of the 1950s.

That is nifty and worth sharing.

My Cousin Toni taped a long interview with my grandmother before she died, and I have it. It's full of fascinating stories about growing up in the midwest in the early 20th century.


NoiseDesign - Jul 11, 2022 1:53:30 pm PDT #16240 of 30000
Our wings are not tired

I have many questions that will never be answered. The answers died with my parents.


brenda m - Jul 11, 2022 2:44:38 pm PDT #16241 of 30000
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

We lost so much when my mom died. My dad was better about sharing his stories, but there’s so much we’ll just never know.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 11, 2022 2:44:42 pm PDT #16242 of 30000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I know that some of my mom's cousins were abandoned by their parents in the Great Depression and sort of had to raise themselves while bouncing among different homes, but I know no details about what caused it or what became of the parents.

I passed on a story or two from Dad's childhood shenanigans to his younger siblings, who'd never been told. By the time they were around and able to remember things, the brick-throwing fights and digging pit traps for the mailman were things of the past.


meara - Jul 11, 2022 3:27:50 pm PDT #16243 of 30000

I know I’m missing (and/or misremembering) quite a lot of family history, but also none of us have kids so it’ll die with this generation anyway? Bummer, but then a lot of the history was bummer too (orphans and mental illness and alcoholism, oh my!). So…yeah. I find it fascinating, but we tried getting my dad one of those “tell us stories” books and he ended up talking about some dude he met in his small town who was an announcer for his favorite baseball team, which I’m sure was cool for him but wasn’t really what we were looking for!


EpicTangent - Jul 11, 2022 3:55:13 pm PDT #16244 of 30000
Why isn't everyone pelting me with JOY, dammit? - Zenkitty

That with the passing of generations you either open up about those secrets or all that history/context becomes lost.

I have many questions that will never be answered. The answers died with my parents.

This is what I'm finding now, well with my mom & her sisters. My mother's 2 oldest sisters were 10 & 12 years older than her, so had more stories, but lived far enough away (everyone married sailors, but my dad was the only one that stayed in San Diego) that there weren't many gatherings. My mom's dad died (WWII) when she was only 4 months old, so we have zero contact with that side of the family. My cousin (daughter of my mom's closest sister, only 18 months older than her) and I occasionally tell each other stories. Last month she got to hear for the first time about our moms being sent to an orphanage after Grandpa was killed because their mom couldn't manage 2 daughters under 2 (the 2 older ones apparently went to relatives for a while). My mother was almost adopted, but their mother insisted that they stay together and apparently the couple who wanted the blond ringleted infant didn't want a brunette toddler with her. The only remaining sibling is a half-sister about 7 years younger than my mom. She tries to stay close with us (as best she can from Michigan), but she's so much younger she has more questions than answers herself.


Sheryl - Jul 11, 2022 4:55:13 pm PDT #16245 of 30000
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

Timelies all!

askye, the doctors at the hospital thought Mr. S was on the spectrum, but we don't have a formal diagnosis.(We're on the waiting list for a full neuropsychological workup.)

One of my co-workers tested positive for COVID, so those of us who were in the lab last week went to get tested. My results came back already, and it was negative.


sj - Jul 12, 2022 7:47:13 am PDT #16246 of 30000
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Sheryl, I'm glad you tested negative.

ltc is at dance camp this week. These are her first dance classes, and she's having a great time. Meanwhile, I'm enjoying the freedom of having my house to myself.