Wasn't that 2018?
Yes.
Love makes you do the wacky.
Willow ,'Beneath You'
Natter 76: Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Foaminess
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Jessica - Jul 18, 2019 7:01:57 am PDT #9627 of 30019
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
chrismg - Jul 18, 2019 7:13:58 am PDT #9628 of 30019
"...and then Legolas and the Hulk destroy the entire Greek army." - Penny Arcade
Wasn't that 2018?
*headdesk*
Man, this guacamole is GREAT.
Gudanov - Jul 18, 2019 7:29:01 am PDT #9629 of 30019
Coding and Sleeping
I believed this in 2016, and yet here we are.
I thought Trump was sunk after, you know, bragging about sexual assault, but... yeah. It's hard for me to think of a reason whey Trump wouldn't be reelected. Being an incumbent, his odds should be better and the dynamics haven't changed much. Unless there's a economic downturn or something, I think it's going to be very hard. Dems are going to need a great candidate who can really connect with people and it's still going to be hard.
chrismg - Jul 18, 2019 7:45:03 am PDT #9630 of 30019
"...and then Legolas and the Hulk destroy the entire Greek army." - Penny Arcade
Look, I'm not saying we don't need a candidate with serious appeal or that it'll be EASY. But the best argument against Drumpf's re-election is still Drumpf. And defeatist talk will just make it harder to put in the work needed to actually win.
Steph L. - Jul 18, 2019 7:49:51 am PDT #9631 of 30019
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine
Look, I'm not saying we don't need a candidate with serious appeal or that it'll be EASY. But the best argument against Drumpf's re-election is still Drumpf. And defeatist talk will just make it harder to put in the work needed to actually win.
I totally agree. (And I asked about 2018 because, hand to god, I have blocked out SO MUCH about the election of 2016 after about 8 p.m. or so as the returns came in. So there could have been a lot of downticket Democratic wins that I just don't remember.)
Jesse - Jul 18, 2019 7:50:40 am PDT #9632 of 30019
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
Yeah, I'm with you, Chris. The only way to win is to get more people out to vote -- there's no changing anyone's mind. So enough people in the right places have to believe that it's worth a shot.
sj - Jul 18, 2019 7:50:49 am PDT #9633 of 30019
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."
J is still in surgery. I have been told it is going well. Still feel sick to my stomach waiting for info.
chrismg - Jul 18, 2019 7:55:18 am PDT #9634 of 30019
"...and then Legolas and the Hulk destroy the entire Greek army." - Penny Arcade
Surgery-ma for J!
Jessica - Jul 18, 2019 8:13:55 am PDT #9635 of 30019
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
the best argument against Drumpf's re-election is still Drumpf
The best argument is not going to win in a system where one party is engaged in active voter suppression and has been strategically packing the courts with sympathetic judges. That's not me being defeatist, that's me being practical about which battles we should be focused on. The tactic of having a better candidate who can get more votes failed pretty spectacularly three years ago, and that was before he was the incumbent with a strong economy. There is literally no reason to think that Trump being openly racist is going to hurt his electoral chances.
Whoever the Democratic candidate winds up being, and whatever issues their stump speeches are focused on, the bulk of work by the party (because the Senate won't do it) needs to be registering voters, making sure they have access to polling places, and protecting the election from interference (including protecting electronic voting machines from cyber-attacks, and working with news and social media platforms to prevent the spread of bots and propaganda).
Laura - Jul 18, 2019 8:23:32 am PDT #9636 of 30019
Our wings are not tired.
Whoever the Democratic candidate winds up being, and whatever issues their stump speeches are focused on, the bulk of work by the party (because the Senate won't do it) needs to be registering voters, making sure they have access to polling places, and protecting the election from interference (including protecting electronic voting machines from cyber-attacks, and working with news and social media platforms to prevent the spread of bots and propaganda).
100% People have an extraordinary low opinion of politicians and don't think Trump is worse than any of the rest of them. I've heard 'of course he paid off Stormy, he wouldn't have won', of course he brags about sexual conquests, boys will be boys'. The people who don't accept any of that as normal need to vote. Get out the vote efforts need to be the focus. Along with secure the vote.