You'll fight, and you'll shag, and you'll hate each other till it makes you quiver, but you'll never be friends.

Spike ,'Sleeper'


Natter 76: Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Foaminess  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Laura - Jun 27, 2019 2:58:56 am PDT #9091 of 30019
Our wings are not tired.

Feel free to skip my take on the debate. Yes, I stayed up WAY past my bedtime because I needed to see it. 10 contenders on the stage. Some improved their chances, most didn't do anything to change perceptions. My personal take, briefly.
Warren: She was at the top of the pack, and increased that lead. It was hers to lose, and she had no missteps.
Castro: Introduced himself to many who don't know him. Sound on policy plans. I think he raised his profile.
Klobuchar: I felt she established her experience and centrist appeal.
O'Rourke: Actually lost ground. Failure to answer questions for one. Colbert commented that he was running for embarrassing dad at a Mexican restaurant. I did think his use of Spanish was pandering.
Gabbard: I actually thought she did very well, but this isn't her time.
Booker: I think he showed a certain command of the issues and raised his profile.
de Blasio: Doesn't have any chance, IMO, but I appreciated his Russia comments.
Delaney, Ryan, and Inslee were also there. I don't think they did anything to improve their chances.


Laura - Jun 27, 2019 3:01:28 am PDT #9092 of 30019
Our wings are not tired.

Black coffee:

I actually fear tonight because it will be nastier. I hope not, but I don't have much hope for civility.


sj - Jun 27, 2019 4:21:22 am PDT #9093 of 30019
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Laura's take is pretty much my take.

I am officially sick of leftovers from my party. So everything has been put in the freezer except for prosciutto and capicola which I will use to make some sort of pasta tonight.


Dana - Jun 27, 2019 5:07:10 am PDT #9094 of 30019
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

I didn't watch, but I'm glad to hear Warren did well. I'm a fan. I'm also afraid to get attached, because it's going to be fucking Hillary all over again.


Sparky1 - Jun 27, 2019 5:08:12 am PDT #9095 of 30019
Librarian Warlord

SCOTUS: The court holds that partisan gerrymandering claims present political questions beyond the reach of the federal courts.


Tom Scola - Jun 27, 2019 5:09:34 am PDT #9096 of 30019
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Motherfucker.


Steph L. - Jun 27, 2019 5:14:03 am PDT #9097 of 30019
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I didn't watch, but I'm glad to hear Warren did well. I'm a fan. I'm also afraid to get attached, because it's going to be fucking Hillary all over again.

I didn't watch. 2016 just broke me.


Gudanov - Jun 27, 2019 5:26:11 am PDT #9098 of 30019
Coding and Sleeping

I think that's a solid take. I liked the way Warren answered questions, she seemed very definitive and compelling with an exception for the gun question, but, yeah, I wouldn't call it a misstep, just not as good.

Delaney sounded like Charlie Brown with the Republicans being Lucy and the football. His bit about working in a bipartisan manner to deal with healthcare sounded exactly like Obama's approach with the ADA. I don't see how he is going anywhere.

Klobuchar seemed composed, experienced, and uncompelling. It's hard for me to see her breaking out.

I thought Booker did quite well, and totally agree that he raised his profile.

Castro had good moments, but I don't think getting into the weeds is a good idea. As they say, if you're explaining, you're losing. I don't see what he has over higher-profile candidates though.

Gabbard was totally solid and had great posture, but solid, business-like answers and posture aren't going to make someone stand out.

Yeah, I didn't think O'Rourke did very well.

de Blasio and Inslee, were meh. Not that they had a bad performance, but weren't very compelling.

I don't remember anyone named Ryan.


meara - Jun 27, 2019 5:30:00 am PDT #9099 of 30019

Damn, SCOTUS. why you gotta hate like that? Darkest damn timeline.


Sparky1 - Jun 27, 2019 5:38:15 am PDT #9100 of 30019
Librarian Warlord

SCOTUS: Census case is affirmed in part, reversed in part and sent back to the District Ct.

ETA: They've sent it back to the District Ct so the Agency can explain it's decision.