But I understand. You gave up everything you had to find me. And you found me broken. It's hard for you.

River ,'Safe'


Natter 76: Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Foaminess  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Kate P. - Sep 30, 2020 5:30:18 am PDT #26893 of 30019
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Oh yeah, I have zero regrets about not watching.


Jesse - Sep 30, 2020 5:40:30 am PDT #26894 of 30019
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I sort of regret watching, except the red-hot fury I felt at one point kind of snapped me out of my lethargy, so that was good I guess?


Gudanov - Sep 30, 2020 5:52:19 am PDT #26895 of 30019
Coding and Sleeping

I feel good about my decision not to watch. It sounds like the debate was mostly Trump being an asshole which is something I feel like I already knew.


chrismg - Sep 30, 2020 5:58:07 am PDT #26896 of 30019
"...and then Legolas and the Hulk destroy the entire Greek army." - Penny Arcade

Yeah, the only thing I was really wondering was if Biden would let himself get run over, which didn't sound like it happened. But I have no need to subject myself to the other guy for 50 minutes to learn that.


meara - Sep 30, 2020 6:21:44 am PDT #26897 of 30019

I had to keep getting up and busting myself with the dog. (Who, after two hours outdoors, came inside afterward and promptly peed on the carpet. Thanks dog)

But I never thought I'd see the day CNN called a debate a "shitshow" on air.

Also interesting: apparently Joe Biden DID say "inshallah"! Secret Muslim conspiracies are a go.


Jessica - Sep 30, 2020 6:22:52 am PDT #26898 of 30019
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

My son had to watch the debate for Social Studies homework so we watched about the first half of it and then let him go to bed.

I thought Biden was terrible, honestly. I think he was going for quiet dignity but he just sounded old and tired to me. Trump as nothing to gain by good behavior - his voters *like* that their candidate is a bully.


Laura - Sep 30, 2020 6:26:43 am PDT #26899 of 30019
Our wings are not tired.

I had to watch. Decade after decade I have always watched. Never saw anything like this though. The biggest moments of rage came with the claims of no harm coming to his rally attendees from Covid, and claiming Obama left all these empty judicial slots open through neglect of duty. I might still be grinding my teeth.


Topic!Cindy - Sep 30, 2020 6:27:10 am PDT #26900 of 30019
What is even happening?

I sort of regret watching, except the red-hot fury I felt at one point kind of snapped me out of my lethargy, so that was good I guess?

It broke through my superstition. I phone banked for Elizabeth Warren, and I gave her money I don't know how many times during the primary.

I was afraid to do anything for Joe, or for any candidate during the general. I felt like a jinx. (I know that's not rational, but it's how I felt.)

Last night, I sent the Biden Harris campaign $100. It's not going to save the world. I feel a little like Xander, "Cavalry's a frightened guy with a rock, but it's here." I'm here now.

I don't like to say this often, or to many people. It's mostly the kind of thing I only say to a couple of members of my immediate family: I believe if Joe Biden does not take the White House (i.e. soundly defeat Trump, emerge victorious in any court challenges surrounding the ballots, get inaugurated, and oust Trump from the Oval Office), America is over.

We (especially those of us with any sort of privilege, gender, money, location) might not see it all at once, but he's a metastasis.


chrismg - Sep 30, 2020 7:01:13 am PDT #26901 of 30019
"...and then Legolas and the Hulk destroy the entire Greek army." - Penny Arcade

Cindy, I think of it like climate change. We have the opportunity to turn onto a course that lets us start fixing the problems NOW. If the wrong choice is made we CAN come back from it - look at Germany - but it'll be a lot longer, a lot uglier, and a lot more people will die.


EpicTangent - Sep 30, 2020 7:12:37 am PDT #26902 of 30019
Why isn't everyone pelting me with JOY, dammit? - Zenkitty

I have nothing to add to the debate discussion. I couldn't watch them even when they weren't starring malignant narcissists.

However, I do have to say, if you haven't checked out today's Google doodle yet - it's pretty cute. And interactive!