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Natter 76: Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Foaminess  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


lisah - Oct 22, 2019 2:49:42 pm PDT #12524 of 30019
Punishingly Intricate

Jesse, I was told that cover letters need totell a storyƂ of something you've accomplished and how it relates to the hiring company. This seems unnecessary.

It seems pretty reasonable to me. And I wish I saw it more in letters we get. Just a couple of sentences! (I know that's not easy to write, though.)


Jesse - Oct 22, 2019 3:03:10 pm PDT #12525 of 30019
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I was also told to track down the name of the hiring person and address the cover letter specifically to her. This seems stalker-y, especially since it really seems like they've deliberately removed her name from the website and the email. I don't think I'll follow this piece of advice.

Definitely don't do that one! But yeah, the other one would probably result in a top-tier cover letter.


amych - Oct 22, 2019 3:10:20 pm PDT #12526 of 30019
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

I feel like the "track down the name of the hiring manager" advice comes from the same place as "print your resume on fancy paper and deliver it by hand" which is to say, the land of SEVERAL DECADES AGO BEFORE WE ALL HAD STALKERS ON THE INTERNET.

Don't do that.

I've seen a ton of cover letters, and nobody ever gives a shit if it's addressed to an individual person. Avoid "Dear Sir" for obvious reasons. But the ones that stand out are the ones that sound like a real person who can convey something about what they're bringing to the table; even if it's a few sentences long and comes in an email, the person is the memorable part.


Dana - Oct 22, 2019 3:13:28 pm PDT #12527 of 30019
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Yes, apparently you're supposed to avoid the generic "I feel I am qualified for this role because..." Which sucks, because that's really easy to write, usually.


Jesse - Oct 22, 2019 3:26:01 pm PDT #12528 of 30019
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I've had good success with what I do believe is a just-OK cover letter template. Lame opening, paragraph about how my experience matches what they are looking for, sentence or two about why I specifically want to work there (especially important for nonprofits, I think). Boom, the end. But I haven't tried to sell myself for a job I wasn't an obvious fit for in years and years, so.


Kate P. - Oct 22, 2019 3:52:12 pm PDT #12529 of 30019
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Agreed that the tell-a-story bit is a good idea (and can be pretty simple), and that tracking down the name of the hiring manager is a bad one.

Also, as someone who's done several rounds of hiring in the last few years, I'd posit that the people who will be reading your cover letter aren't necessarily people who know anything about recent cover letter trends. They're just people looking to hire someone who will do well in the role. You already have an advantage in that you're a good writer. Give yourself permission to write a shitty first draft, ask a couple friends to be your beta readers, and I bet you'll come up with a perfectly good letter.


-t - Oct 22, 2019 3:58:55 pm PDT #12530 of 30019
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Kate makes a very good point. You are a good writer, Zen, lean into that.


Pix - Oct 22, 2019 4:04:02 pm PDT #12531 of 30019
The status is NOT quo.

Wow, I've missed a lot since I last skimmed/read. Support and vibes to Sophia, Zen, Maria, Dana, and anyone else who needs them.


Steph L. - Oct 22, 2019 4:47:28 pm PDT #12532 of 30019
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I am not making this up:

You know how I mentioned the current trend in my neighborhood's FB group is to take selfies with the lone small cart at Kroger and post them in the group? Someone talked to Kroger and our store is getting 50 new small carts AND -- again, I am not making this up -- Kroger is throwing a party at the store for us on Sunday.

This is the BEST THING EVER.


Dana - Oct 22, 2019 4:59:16 pm PDT #12533 of 30019
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Oh, fuck me, I think I have a fever. If I have the flu, I'm going to be pissed. And also unable to sing the concert on Saturday.