Fred: Oh my God! Angel, you're…cute! Angel: Fred, don't! Fred: Oh, but the little hands! And the hair! Angel: Hey! You're fired.

'Smile Time'


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-t - Jul 01, 2022 9:48:36 am PDT #1898 of 2020
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I need to finish watching Lucifer at some point, I kind of drifted off when it changed networks (that doesn't seem like the right terminology but I can't think what would be better) but I do recall that about the lead


Steph L. - Jul 01, 2022 9:50:51 am PDT #1899 of 2020
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

Tom Ellis as Lucifer is super charismatic, but I got stalled out 8 episodes into S1 because the writing is really not my thing. It's sort of amazing how charismatic Ellis manages to make Lucifer when he's written so terribly. Does the writing get any better in later seasons?

I did love seeing Kevin Alejandro again after seeing him on Arrow. And D.B. Woodside just gets more and more good-looking.


Dana - Jul 01, 2022 9:53:19 am PDT #1900 of 2020
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

I know Tom Welling shows up at some point too.


-t - Jul 01, 2022 10:21:16 am PDT #1901 of 2020
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I think the writing got better but I might have just gotten used to it? Hard to say. I feel like they figured out what they wanted the show to be, uh, not immediately, and once they did it got better.


sj - Jul 01, 2022 10:28:02 am PDT #1902 of 2020
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I have failed to even notice the writing with all the drooling, but they do fix some plot holes as the show goes on, and the Tricia Helfer joins the cast and is awesome!


sj - Jul 01, 2022 10:29:55 am PDT #1903 of 2020
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

But then again I was specifically looking for something that wouldn't tax my brain when I was sick.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 01, 2022 12:58:13 pm PDT #1904 of 2020
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

In my opinion the writing dipped in Season 2 and again in Season 3, before recovering in the later seasons with the move to Netflix (I'm up to 5.14). The addition of Tom Welling definitely does not improve the show.


Steph L. - Jul 01, 2022 3:12:16 pm PDT #1905 of 2020
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

In my opinion the writing dipped in Season 2 and again in Season 3,

It got worse than season 1? Yikes.

before recovering in the later seasons with the move to Netflix

Does Lucifer get to say "fuck" after moving to Netflix? He really should.


sj - Jul 02, 2022 9:42:47 am PDT #1906 of 2020
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Tom Welling does not add anything positive to any show imho.

The writing is really not bothering me, maybe because I’m not expecting much from it above the normal procedural with lots of snark. I finished S2 and am taking a little break to catch up on other shows before I start S3.


Vortex - Jul 03, 2022 7:04:18 pm PDT #1907 of 2020
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Tom Ellis as Lucifer is super charismatic, but I got stalled out 8 episodes into S1 because the writing is really not my thing. It's sort of amazing how charismatic Ellis manages to make Lucifer when he's written so terribly. Does the writing get any better in later seasons?

Also, the female lead is awful. I have hated her in many shows. She's just whiny and not that great of an actress.

Tom Welling IS a BBoC. A very pretty BBoC. He is only made tolerable by his incredibly charismatic co-stars (like Micheal Rosenberg in Smallville)