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Boxed Set, Vol. VI: I am not a number, I am a free thread!

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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Dana - Feb 05, 2020 5:17:52 pm PST #1520 of 2020
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

I'm glad they're addressing the ramifications of the crisis, but it's one of those things where you can't look at it too closely, or the logic completely falls apart.


sj - Feb 05, 2020 6:05:25 pm PST #1521 of 2020
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Yeah, I was just thinking that. I was completely expecting to hear that Cisco's brother was alive again. Ollie brought back most of the major deaths of his people, but couldn't help one of Barry's?


Dana - Feb 05, 2020 7:18:33 pm PST #1522 of 2020
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

And honestly, if Harry is really dead, I'm pissed.

But then I also don't understand how this jibes with what was at the end of crisis, which showed the heroes in different universes. Was that supposed to be where they were coming from? So now Doom Patrol and Titans and all the rest are part of Earth Prime?


sj - Feb 06, 2020 2:40:39 am PST #1523 of 2020
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I'm still confused about that too.


Matt the Bruins fan - Feb 06, 2020 9:38:41 am PST #1524 of 2020
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

The way I understand it is that Earth-38 from Supergirl, and whatever earth Black Lightning was on, got folded into the Earth-1 setting of Arrow, the Flash, Legends of Tomorrow, and Batwoman, with the mashup now being called Earth-Prime. The Doom Patrol and Teen Titans shows are supposed to be set on their own parallel earths, as are Lucifer, Smallville, the Nineties Flash show, the Sixties Batman show, the Donner Superman movies, and the DCEU movies.

Basically, if it airs on the CW it's now on Earth-Prime, everything else is on its own.


Dana - Feb 06, 2020 10:24:53 am PST #1525 of 2020
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

But they're saying that Earth Prime is the only one that exists now.


sj - Feb 06, 2020 3:36:56 pm PST #1526 of 2020
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

But they're saying that Earth Prime is the only one that exists now.

Yeah, that's the part that keeps confusing me. When I'm sure one of the post show interviews said that the people of Smallville are happily back in their universe.


Matt the Bruins fan - Feb 07, 2020 8:33:59 am PST #1527 of 2020
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Whever is saying that is contradicting what we saw on screen. They specifically showed Brandon Routh as Superman flying in orbit with a little Earth-96 caption onscreen at the end of the crossover.


Dana - Feb 07, 2020 8:39:05 am PST #1528 of 2020
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

That's the only conclusion I can reach, but it seems like a weird decision to have the characters believe something so huge that only the audience knows is not true.

I was mostly ignoring it until it Flash made such a big deal about it this week.


Dana - Feb 07, 2020 8:46:19 am PST #1529 of 2020
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

The Arrowverse wiki says:

With the rebirth of the multiverse, some things changed. Earths are now separated by something other than vibrational frequencies. As such, the residents of Earth-Prime with knowledge of the pre-crisis timeline appear to be unaware of the new multiverse's existence and still believe it is destroyed.

So I guess it will eventually be addressed in-universe?