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Natter 75: More Than a Million Natters Served  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Gudanov - Feb 16, 2017 5:36:32 am PST #7424 of 30002
Coding and Sleeping

There's also this other thing that I find baffling. There's like this fiction that the economy exists outside the framework of the government. It's sort of like, if the government didn't exist then everything would be pretty much the same only there would be no taxes. Ergo, the government only steals money from the deserving to give to the lazy. But this is obviously not the case. Take away government, and it all comes tumbling down.


Steph L. - Feb 16, 2017 6:20:46 am PST #7425 of 30002
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

So why do the political conservatives always seem to be on the wrong side of history?

Since the election, they are like freaking cartoon villains. Like, if you wrote these characters in a movie, you'd be told they're too unrealistic, because no group of politicians can be that unified in their evil.


zuisa - Feb 16, 2017 6:33:43 am PST #7426 of 30002
call me jacki; zuisa is an internet nick from ancient times =)

I know that, parents and brothers aside, my entire family voted Trump. And we're from MASSACHUSETTS, which is just insanity. I have a hard time talking to them now. We were never close, but I'm done. My mother is taking the the "just don't talk politics; don't let this divide you" stance, which I admire, but I just can't. I don't need people like that in my life.

And the GOP's new level of villainy is fully ridiculous. The fact that I just moved from being represented by Ed Markey and Elizabeth Warren to a state where I have to deal with Marco Rubio makes me sad.

In completely unrelated news, I bought a single-serve coffee machine and the instructions are very clear on using the cup you are going to use to pour water into the machine (which makes sense, size-wise), but apparently I missed the day in school where we learned how to pour water from a coffee mug without spilling it all over the kitchen counter. (I lived on a ship too long. I don't know how to adult.)


msbelle - Feb 16, 2017 7:13:09 am PST #7427 of 30002
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

Gud - people are ignorant about how things really work #1.

Some are willfully ignorant, others, just uninterested.

#2 Then there are the pie in sky or naive libertarians. We shouldn't need government because everyone should just do what is right and good.

#3 Then there are the ingrained prejucides that completely blind people. These are the "we don't need social programs, laws for equality blah blah blah" people. They THINK things are equal, may even think they are slighted more than this or that minority/protected class. These people do not buy into systemic institutional bigotry. They do not believe that years of historical inequality and prejudice has a bearing on someone's chances today.

#4 There are the capitalists/politicians first. Everything is viewed from a "what will make money" and/or "what will get/keep me elected lens". Right for them only is in terms of these factors until something affects them VERY VERY directly.


Matt the Bruins fan - Feb 16, 2017 7:28:07 am PST #7428 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

A useful Chrome browser extension for these troubled times: [link]


P.M. Marc - Feb 16, 2017 8:59:55 am PST #7429 of 30002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I know conservatives and they aren't bad people. So why do the political conservatives always seem to be on the wrong side of history?

Ask yourself how you define good and bad here.

I mean, all of msbelle's points are good ones, but sometimes personable people who do nice things for people like them have awful beliefs that lead to bad things being done in the name of those beliefs and thus are doing bad, because if good isn't a thing you are, it's a thing you do, the same must be said of bad.


Jesse - Feb 16, 2017 9:12:40 am PST #7430 of 30002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

In totally random news, I just found out a kid I grew up with is now married to a minister in Iowa and has two teenagers. That is....very different from my life. (And I found out because her father is my coworker now! Everyone is my coworker now.)


zuisa - Feb 16, 2017 10:32:27 am PST #7431 of 30002
call me jacki; zuisa is an internet nick from ancient times =)

Dangit! I bought cushion covers for some ugly throw pillows and they don't fit. Our apartment is provided by Chris's company, fully furnished, which is amazing - but some, uh, interesting decor choices were made. The pillows on the couch have random numbers and letters printed all over them, which is not really a look I was feeling.

I guess I'll have to go buy some properly sized throw pillows and stash the ugly ones in a closet somewhere.


flea - Feb 16, 2017 11:38:06 am PST #7432 of 30002
information libertarian

Jesse, a woman who was a friend of mine in middle school is now married with 8 children and living in a settlement in Israel. I think she converted to Judaism, even - she certainly was not Bat Mitzvahed anyway, and I lived in Lexington, where that was a big deal in 7th grade, you know? Life can take people on many paths.


Jesse - Feb 16, 2017 11:50:23 am PST #7433 of 30002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

True fact! It's amazing when it feels like we've started in the same place, you know?