Zoe: What's that, sir? Mal: Freedom, is what. Zoe: No, I meant what's that? Mal: Oh. Yeah. Just step around it. I think something must've been living in here.

'Out Of Gas'


Natter 75: More Than a Million Natters Served  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Consuela - Jan 30, 2017 6:59:00 pm PST #6453 of 30002
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Gud, I have no idea if it would do any good with your friend, but Andrew Sullivan had an eye-opening and heart-breaking conversation on abortion with women on his blog back in 2009

There has also been a similar series of letters on the Atlantic blog, Notes.


Consuela - Jan 30, 2017 6:59:50 pm PST #6454 of 30002
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I knew Yates was going to get canned as soon as I saw her statement. No way Voldemort would stand for that.


Pix - Jan 30, 2017 7:00:13 pm PST #6455 of 30002
The status is NOT quo.

This is an ignorant and fundamentalist twist. Shame on you, Drew. You should be better equipped to disagree, by now.

Sorry, was this meant to be a joke, or were you being sincere? Because I don't think Drew needs to be shamed for sharing his thoughts on a religion he was intimately involved with most of his life. And I can tell you that he's incredibly respectful to the many Christians in his life, including my mother, his cousin who is a Presbyterian minister, and many of our friends.


Consuela - Jan 30, 2017 7:01:18 pm PST #6456 of 30002
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Man, today even my apolitical boss expressed some concern. For one thing, we are understaffed and the hiring freeze is interfering with his ability to get work done. This is unacceptable.

I'm having trouble concentrating at work because OMG THE DEMOCRACY IS FALLING. Hard to concentrate on whether we need a permit to install a replacement backup generator on an island in Puget Sound...


msbelle - Jan 30, 2017 7:15:50 pm PST #6457 of 30002
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

I am too tired to research, but

"In the constitution it says that the president has the right to ban immigration for a period of time in order to protect its citizens by executive order."

That's not right. right?


NoiseDesign - Jan 30, 2017 7:50:19 pm PST #6458 of 30002
Our wings are not tired

This is an ignorant and fundamentalist twist. Shame on you, Drew. You should be better equipped to disagree, by now.

I'm sorry that you feel this way Cindy.


meara - Jan 30, 2017 8:15:26 pm PST #6459 of 30002

Yeah, I both can't stop reading Facebook and seeing the constant new horrible things, but also it's making me feel awful and anxious and horrible beyond even those things happening, so for the very first time I'm actually thinking of stepping back from FB. Because I can get the facts from reputable media without the constant seeing right people post about the same thing and the latest "call your people!" And all that jazz. And feeling guilty when I see and enjoy a fashion post. But it all feels so urgent.


aurelia - Jan 30, 2017 10:00:39 pm PST #6460 of 30002
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

I attracted a troll on Twitter. Achievement unlocked!

I am not engaging.


Dana - Jan 31, 2017 4:37:23 am PST #6461 of 30002
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Oh, my coworker is going to be super irritating today.


Steph L. - Jan 31, 2017 5:44:16 am PST #6462 of 30002
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

In the past 24 hours, I've seen 2 people who I otherwise thought were fairly rational people decry "mainstream news," as in, it's untrustworthy. My serious question is: what alternative sources are we supposed to be consuming instead of CNN, and how do we know those sources are any more trustworthy?

I don't feel like I'm being duped by the Associated Press, is what I'm saying.