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Natter 75: More Than a Million Natters Served  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Hil R. - Sep 26, 2018 5:07:08 pm PDT #29986 of 30002
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I was wearing a C cup in fifth grade, when I was 4'7". That was ... ugh.


Atropa - Sep 26, 2018 6:27:52 pm PDT #29987 of 30002
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

and then I just...forget about them. Because they're classed in my mind as just part of the experience of being female.

That's the wrenchingly awful part. I've been thinking about my past, and realized that every romantic relationship I was ever in, with the exception of Mr. Loomy THANK G-D, involved coercion, ignoring when I said "I don't want to", and taking advantage of times when I couldn't consent. None of those are an "or"; all of them were regular features of all of those relationships. And I didn't realize those things weren't okay! I thought they came with the territory of dating someone, and that having regular sex with someone didn't mean I was obligated to have sex with them whenever and wherever they wanted.

And that doesn't cover the leering, inappropriate comments, and groping I put up with from about age 10 on.


Hil R. - Sep 26, 2018 6:53:20 pm PDT #29988 of 30002
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Oh Hil, that is just horrible. It makes it all the more impressive and remarkable that you achieved the level of academic success you have. Yellow bellied me probably would have quit school and never entered a school building again.

Academically, I did terribly in high school. I got into college entirely on my test scores. Getting away from that environment, and meeting entirely new people, helped a lot.

My parents (well, mostly my mother) sometimes discussed switching me to a private school -- probably the local Jewish school (where, if I had gone, I would have been a classmate of Jared Kushner.) If I'd pushed for it, they probably would have transferred me there, but I wasn't really confident that it would be any different.


Hil R. - Sep 26, 2018 7:02:55 pm PDT #29989 of 30002
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

And thank you, everybody. I was kind of freaking out last night. Getting triggered sucks.


Hil R. - Sep 26, 2018 7:04:40 pm PDT #29990 of 30002
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

And I'm not talking about this at all on Facebook, because whenever I mention it, my mom calls me, crying, to tell me how sorry she is that she didn't help me more or do something, and then I have to comfort her, and I'm just not up for that right now.


Zenkitty - Sep 27, 2018 1:07:35 am PDT #29991 of 30002
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Hil, ugh. It's exhausting to have to comfort someone who's distraught that you're upset. My family is like that too. Either they minimize my experiences or they get me to do it to make them feel better.

There's so much more to all this than the rage and sorrow at the sexist mistreatment. Anger at how others responded to it, despair at being emotionally abandoned, grief over what could have been in a world that worked differently. Who would I have been if.


Sophia Brooks - Sep 27, 2018 2:14:47 am PDT #29992 of 30002
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Hil- the comforting is exhausting.

Zenkitty et als. I did lose weight by addressing my diabetes. Unfortunately I have to say the comments come back. Not just cat calling or whatever, but literal conversations with coworkers about my nice figure! (These are older women). I should dress to show off my nice figure, how am I single with my nice figure etc. it seems absurd to complain about having a nice figure, but I am a Myers Briggs INFP, I live mostly in my head not my body so it is weird to me to constantly be aware of it.


Amy - Sep 27, 2018 3:41:22 am PDT #29993 of 30002
Because books.

It's so painful to read all these things and know that so many other girls were hurting the same way. I developed really early, too, and all of fifth grade I had boys (outside school) calling me "Mrs. Mature." It was humiliating, even if the insult itself was pretty mild. It drew attention exactly where I didn't want it, because I hated that there was nothing I could do about it. I was already ashamed and freaked out that I was the only girl I knew who had her period.

It teaches you at a really early age what men want from you, and at the same time, what they think of you for having it.


juliana - Sep 27, 2018 4:17:33 am PDT #29994 of 30002
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

and then I just...forget about them. Because they're classed in my mind as just part of the experience of being female.

Yeah. Yeah. I've got a whole barrel of memories that keep resurfacing and then sinking, and it makes me want to drink an entire barrel every time it shows up.


Gudanov - Sep 27, 2018 4:27:06 am PDT #29995 of 30002
Coding and Sleeping

I'm sorry about all the bad experiences, and Steph, your parents are... that's some crazy stuff. I want my daughter to have a good sex life, but I don't want to be in in or near the loop on that.

I got home at 1:00am last night and had to get up at 5:45am. Caffeine will be an important part of my diet today.