Wild monkey love or tender Sarah McLachlan love?

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Natter 75: More Than a Million Natters Served  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


sj - Sep 18, 2018 4:36:32 am PDT #29679 of 30002
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I don't like Coleslaw. I have found a few cabbage soups I can make it in the crock pot.


Gudanov - Sep 18, 2018 5:00:46 am PDT #29680 of 30002
Coding and Sleeping

So what do people think of the allegations against Kavanaugh? Assuming they are true, and they do seem entirely plausible, should something he did in high school disqualify him? OTOH, he would have only been 17 and was at a party where he was drinking, but I can't help but think 17-year-old me wouldn't have done something like that. Also, I can't help thinking that dismissing the allegation because he was in high-school is sort of dismissing attempted rape with "boys-will-be-boys" and that feels entirely wrong.

At his point he is either lying about it or not, and if he is lying about it that feels disqualifying. But what if it were true and he admitted it happened, but says he was 17 and drunk and felt regret and never did anything like that again? It feels wrong to pull out something he did in high school, but it feels wrong to dismiss it too.


Zenkitty - Sep 18, 2018 5:03:21 am PDT #29681 of 30002
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

I'm home and probably going to take a pain pill and call out from work. That minor procedure was a lot more intense than I expected.


Tom Scola - Sep 18, 2018 5:05:45 am PDT #29682 of 30002
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It wasn't awkward teen sex, it was pretty unambiguously rape.

And this isn't a trial, it's a job interview. He's a fucking SCOTUS nominee. He should be held to a higher standard. The HIGHEST standard. SCOTUS judges should be SQUEAKY CLEAN.


Tom Scola - Sep 18, 2018 5:06:03 am PDT #29683 of 30002
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Sorry, Zen. Feel better.


Zenkitty - Sep 18, 2018 5:06:39 am PDT #29684 of 30002
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

But what if it were true and he admitted it happened, but says he was 17 and drunk and felt regret and never did anything like that again?

If he were the type to admit guilt and apologize, he would've done it already. IME there's never "only one time" with these arrogant entitled men; they'll keep doing it as long as they keep getting away with it, which they always do. Somewhere out there is a girl who didn't get away from him. Probably more than one.


Jessica - Sep 18, 2018 5:10:21 am PDT #29685 of 30002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I agree with Emily Bazelon's take (which she articulated on the Gabfest, not sure if there's a written version) - more or less that we should take into account that he was a minor at the time and unless more women come forward to demonstrate a pattern of behavior extending into adulthood (which has not happened, yet), one criminal act as a minor should not be an automatic disqualification. What SHOULD be an automatic disqualification is that he is now, at age 53, lying about it to Congress and to the American public, which is unacceptable behavior both in general and especially for a federal judge and REALLY REALLY ESPECIALLY for a Supreme Court Justice.


Steph L. - Sep 18, 2018 5:11:03 am PDT #29686 of 30002
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

It wasn't awkward teen sex, it was pretty unambiguously rape.

And this isn't a trial, it's a job interview. He's a fucking SCOTUS nominee. He should be held to a higher standard. The HIGHEST standard. SCOTUS judges should be SQUEAKY CLEAN.

^^^^^This. I can't say it any better.


Jessica - Sep 18, 2018 5:11:35 am PDT #29687 of 30002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

If he were the type to admit guilt and apologize, he would've done it already.

Even if he does it now, his FIRST response was to lie about it. Repeatedly. That ship sailed within the first 24 hours after Dr Ford came forward.


juliana - Sep 18, 2018 5:13:23 am PDT #29688 of 30002
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

What SHOULD be an automatic disqualification is that he is now, at age 53, lying about it to Congress and to the American public, which is unacceptable behavior both in general and especially for a federal judge and REALLY REALLY ESPECIALLY for a Supreme Court Justice.

This. Absolutely this.