We need to plan.
But we need to see the plan before we can plan.
The whole plan is too big.
We need at least an outline of the plan.
We're too busy to put together the whole plan.
But how do we know what parts of the plan to plan if we don't have a plan?
Your meetings are, like, the platonic ideal towards which all meetings aspire, Dana. Benchmarks.
Manager is now sighing and put-upon and saying nothing she ever does is good enough.
OH MY GOD someone is proposing smaller working groups, which is what I've been saying SINCE I STARTED THIS JOB because we are scattered across the world and 7AM is literally the only time we can all meet and having everyone involved in every piece of everything is NOT FEASIBLE.
Sounds like you needed a pre-planning meeting and a pre-meeting for the pre-planning meeting to be ready for the planning meeting.
Oh, Jesus, now my coworker is backing up our manager and saying we need to stop worrying about who's happy. That's definitely going to be useful.
saying nothing she ever does is good enough.
That seems plausible.
To be fair "But how do we know what parts of the plan to plan if we don't have a plan?" is pretty much how I end up reading magazines all day instead of housecleaning and so forth.