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Natter 75: More Than a Million Natters Served  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Gudanov - Jul 02, 2018 6:01:17 pm PDT #26930 of 30002
Coding and Sleeping

If you are married and you honestly believe that, please, something has to change, and it's not you.

I don't know. I feel like I'm just a lousy person and people generally don't like me. My parents always believed in letting me fight my own battles, I don't have siblings, and I've never been good at making friends so it's always just been me. Maybe when I do get down and show it my wife is right to get angry or mock me. I need to be strong.


sj - Jul 02, 2018 6:07:40 pm PDT #26931 of 30002
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Gud, I don't often say much to you because I don't want to pile on when everyone else already gives good advice, but please please consider finding a therapist. You should not have to be strong all the time. A spouse is someone who you should be able to show weakness to without it being used against you. Your internal monologue is skewed, and I know this because mine often is too.


Nora Deirdre - Jul 02, 2018 6:16:03 pm PDT #26932 of 30002
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

I feel like I'm just a lousy person and people generally don't like me.

I feel like this too. I also feel useless and stupid and lazy and selfish. This has been my headspace for way too long and tomorrow I'm calling to set up an appointment with a therapist, whose name I've had for more than a year now. Because I can't function like this.

I invite you to do the same.

I will report back once I make the call and appointment, this will keep me accountable, because I could easily blow this off another year and get mired down in even more self-loathing. But I don't want to feel this way anymore.


Gudanov - Jul 02, 2018 6:21:43 pm PDT #26933 of 30002
Coding and Sleeping

I have seen a therapist in the past. The first time it left me feeling much worse about myself. A different guy seemed better but I had to stop because of financial reasons. At the moment with my wife's business still trying to get off the ground I can't really afford it anyway.


Steph L. - Jul 02, 2018 6:36:35 pm PDT #26934 of 30002
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Maybe when I do get down and show it my wife is right to get angry or mock me.

That is cruel and abusive. Your wife is abusing you. Please see that. Please understand that.

You did NOTHING to cause it, and nothing to deserve it. You are being abused. Please seek help.


DavidS - Jul 02, 2018 8:58:49 pm PDT #26935 of 30002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Two things I learned from early on are to never show weakness and there's nobody I can count on except myself. It's almost always bad when I forget it.

Oh, Gud! This is not healthy. Surely you can see how this is not how a marriage is supposed to be.

That is cruel and abusive. Your wife is abusing you. Please see that. Please understand that.

I've held this opinion for a while and have not been shy about expressing it. I don't mean to pile on, but I hope you can hear us.

It's not you. It's her. She's cruel and belittling. Also, she's lazy as fuck. She really doesn't do that much and then is incredibly mean to you.

Also, fuck her business. I hope you divorce her ass ten minutes after you get your youngest into college (or sooner!), because she is a horrible human being.


Sparky1 - Jul 03, 2018 1:41:48 am PDT #26936 of 30002
Librarian Warlord

Gud, you deserve support and people who see you in terms of your humanity, not weaknesses. When you post your Philly details I will make every effort to get up there so I can tell you so in person. (Hey, Sox -- can I visit you in September, maybe?)


-t - Jul 03, 2018 2:38:11 am PDT #26937 of 30002
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Gud, you are not a lousy person. Neither is Nora. Neither am I despite my many many failings. I'm sorry you don't have people in meatspace to support you when you are having a hard time. You deserve support.

I think I've seen ads for a free internet based therapy sort of thing, does anybody know anything about that?


-t - Jul 03, 2018 2:40:53 am PDT #26938 of 30002
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I first noticed the French tuck, although not by any name in particular, as so.ething Winger did on Community.


Laura - Jul 03, 2018 2:48:38 am PDT #26939 of 30002
Our wings are not tired.

my wife is right to get angry or mock me

Never. Not right with a complete stranger, friend, or spouse. Yes, I am going to pile on for the sake of your children. You are teaching them all the wrong lessons about how relationships are supposed to work. Spouses are supposed to be supportive at all times. Your children are going to think it is okay to be angry or mocking with their spouses or they are going to think it is okay to accept that type of treatment. It Is Not.