I'm a vision of hotliness, and how weird is that? Mystical comas. You know, if you can stand the horror of a higher power hijacking your mind and body so that it can give birth to itself, I really recommend 'em.

Cordelia ,'You're Welcome'


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-t - Oct 22, 2021 7:44:15 am PDT #3049 of 3455
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Two specific things did disappoint me.

I have always been fascinated by the arrhythmic walking since I first read the book decades ago and the little bit we got to see was not at all satisfying (although referring to the "bookfilm" (or filmbook or whatever) did make me think "oh, yeah, Herbert did use terms like that" and smile.

I kept waiting, in the last fight, for the moment when Paul realized he had to abandon his fighting-with-shields training and it never happened. The fight scenes in general I didn't love and I can't put my finger on why. They weren't quite impossible to follow the way they can be but they weren't beautiful and expressing character the way I really like my fight scenes to be, but maybe that is asking too much?

Mm, have thought of a couple more. When we meet Shadout Mapes I recognized the name enough to think, oh, this should be good and then we didn't get much of her before she dies so that didn't seem right and I didn't love the spice visions

But really, "I didn't hate it" feels like a real win at this point?


Jessica - Oct 22, 2021 8:06:09 am PDT #3050 of 3455
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

I'm pretty sure I also remember that fight being naked in the book. Something something when-its-a-ritual-fight-to-the-death-we-let-our-bodys-water-just-sweat-into-the-sand something something. Or maybe just "without stillsuits". Whatever. MISSED OPPORTUNITY FOR NAKED HAND TO HAND FIGHTING, VILLENEUVE.

OH AND given the way the last two years of real life have gone, I was mentally shouting at all the Fremen to put their fucking masks on!! I get that in a movie it's nice to see actors' faces but it was driving me maaaaaaad.


-t - Oct 22, 2021 8:14:08 am PDT #3051 of 3455
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

RIGHT?!?

I had forgotten that about the fight but now that you say it, yes, that sounds right. Missed opportunity for sure!


dcp - Oct 22, 2021 9:10:10 am PDT #3052 of 3455
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

Haven't seen the latest Dune movie.

Are you talking about the fight with Jamis ?

If so, quick look-up:

Jamis: "...clad in loincloth and some tight fabric over his feet...."

Paul: "...clad in the fighting trunks he'd worn under his stilsuit."


Toddson - Oct 22, 2021 9:50:45 am PDT #3053 of 3455
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

fyi, Esquire has a generally favorable article about Dune ... illustrated, for some reason, by clips from the David Lynch version


Tom Scola - Oct 22, 2021 1:56:43 pm PDT #3054 of 3455
Mr. Scola’s wardrobe by Botany 500

Dune, Reviewed by Someone Who Popped an Edible Beforehand


-t - Oct 22, 2021 2:33:58 pm PDT #3055 of 3455
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

That is the review I needed see, if only for the plot summaries


Toddson - Oct 26, 2021 11:41:48 am PDT #3056 of 3455
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

My boss, who saw Dune over the weekend (and liked it) said that he'd heard the second part had been OK'd.


sumi - Nov 01, 2021 7:44:35 pm PDT #3057 of 3455
Art Crawl!!!

The second comes out October 2023.

I watched & of the three Dune adaptations, I think this is the best one. The Lynch one was pretty but kind of bombastic & BIG & still didn’t do the job. Very, very 80’s. I don’t remember Sci/Fy’s tv version: how good could it have been.

So, it was pretty, and not terrible, but there has got to be a really good adaptation out there, somewhere.


Jessica - Nov 02, 2021 8:41:32 am PDT #3058 of 3455
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

After seeing it again with Javachik, I can appreciate how well Villeneuve truly adapted the material, rather than simply putting the book onscreen. Herbert prioritizes context and backstory to the point where probably 70% of the book is characters thinking in italics about What That Thing Really Means And How The Last 8000 Years Have Led Us To This Point, and it honestly never occurred to me that you could just...not do that.

The Lynch version completely takes for granted that all of the backstory and context were critical because Frank Herbert said they were, and I still think that version feels more like reading the book, but I'm glad we get to have both.

(I also can't remember anything about the SyFy version, except that the effects were terrible like all VFX on TV in that era.)

The two things that did continue to bother me:
1. PUT YOUR DAMN MASKS ON, FREMEN
2. In the book, there is a LOT of interior monologuing. And in the Lynch version you can hear people thinking by having the actor look into the middle distance with their thoughts on slightly echo-y voiceover. Cheesy, but whatever. And in this version, Villeneuve decided he was just going to have all the characters say their thoughts OUT LOUD muttering under their breath? WTF? Do you think Paul can't hear you, Kynes? He is literally standing two feet in front of your face.