For me at least part of it is that they are still alive, they were terrible, and people still defend them. And it is so new. Also, that they used their art to find and in some cases groom their victims. So I am wondering, each time I watch, if something happened that we don't know about, so it takes me out of the film.
Simon: I, uh... I never-never shot anyone before. Book: I was there, son. I'm fair sure you haven't shot anyone yet.
'War Stories'
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Sophia Brooks - Dec 28, 2019 3:00:03 am PST #2403 of 3432
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here
Jessica - Dec 28, 2019 7:04:40 am PST #2404 of 3432
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?
For me at least part of it is that they are still alive, they were terrible, and people still defend them. And it is so new. Also, that they used their art to find and in some cases groom their victims. So I am wondering, each time I watch, if something happened that we don't know about, so it takes me out of the film.
Yes, and that the victims are still alive, and (possibly/probably) still in pain.
Dana - Dec 28, 2019 7:06:42 am PST #2405 of 3432
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."
It's not quite the same, but it's similar to the JK Rowling transphobe thing. On one hand, my enjoyment of and participation in that fandom is mine, and she can't take it away from me. On the other hand, I don't want it to seem like I support her and her transphobia.
Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 28, 2019 8:55:11 am PST #2406 of 3432
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
I guess I should be thankful my distaste for Dennis Leary kept me from ever watching the movie, so it's one thing Spacey can't ruin for me. Well, and given his characters in The Usual Suspects and Se7en, I guess I could watch those again without him bothering me.
JZ - Dec 28, 2019 9:26:21 am PST #2407 of 3432
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.
I'm meh on Leary in general, but the screenwriter for The Ref (Richard LaGravenese, who also wrote The Fisher King, Bridges of Madison County and A Little Princess, all of which I fucking love), knew his strengths and wrote to them beautifully. The whole production is just a goldmine of sharp writing and great character acting, and it used to be one of my great pleasures to show it to people who'd never even heard of it and watch them discovering it. And Spacey has (for me, anyway) drained all the joy out of all their work on it.
The Harry Potter movies are a little easier, just because Rowling created the source material but played no active role once the cameras started rolling; each one is very clearly the work of its individual director, building these worlds within worlds along with the actors and set and props and light and sound and costume people and absolutely everyone else. The books themselves make me uncomfortable now, and I'm not sure when/if I'll reread them or how it will feel when I do, but the films are just enough removed from her that it's not visceral or tainting in the same way.
Amy - Dec 28, 2019 9:46:11 am PST #2408 of 3432
Because books.
God, I love The Ref. I haven't seen it in years, though. I'm not sure how I'd feel about it now.
I agree about Se7en and The Usual Suspects, though. I actually just watched the latter last week.
I can't wait to see Little Women. I just want it to be ... everything I want it to be. There's no perfect version for me yet -- I'm strangely partial to the 1950s one, although June Allyson as Jo is just weird. I really did NOT like the recent PBS one, but I know I have incredibly intense feelings about the story, so.
Steph L. - Dec 28, 2019 9:52:42 am PST #2409 of 3432
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated
I can't wait to see Little Women. I just want it to be ... everything I want it to be.
I've read reviews that say the movie actually makes Amy an awesome character instead of a simpering whiner, which makes me so happy. (I don't understand the hate for Amy -- her growth and character arc are fantastic.)
Sophia Brooks - Dec 28, 2019 10:12:01 am PST #2410 of 3432
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here
I can't wait to see Little Women. I think Laurie and Amy are perfect for one another and he gets to be part of the family. I am still waiting for the adaptations of The Old Fashioned Girl and Eight Cousins/Rose in Bloom!
Amy - Dec 28, 2019 10:42:27 am PST #2411 of 3432
Because books.
I always liked Amy! You could so clearly see her grow up. And I loved her and Laurie together, which is apparently a very unpopular opinion. I could never see Jo loving him like that. Or being that kind of wife.
Sophia Brooks - Dec 28, 2019 11:12:16 am PST #2412 of 3432
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here
Professor Bhaer is right for Jo, I think. He is also fortunately named, so he seems like a Teddy Bear. And he can be loving and kind and calm, which is what she needs. And Jo can still be BFFS with Laurie. Jo is right- they are both too alike and too different to work romantically. They both need grounding, and left together, she would be the one to ground him or they would both kill each other. Amy grounds him just by being and letting him love and indulge her while she loves and indulges him.
Again, I recommend The Old Fashioned Girl for what people wanted Jo and Laurie to be.
Also, I was so young and naive the first time I read this that I thought Laurie was also a girl.