Hey, preaching to the choir. I thought our Lady of the Perpetual Sea Breeze was the real deal until the Divine Miss J walked right through that door and right into my ass—which is where my heart is…physiologically. I could show you an x-ray.

Lorne ,'Time Bomb'


Natter 74: Ready or Not  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Toddson - Sep 03, 2015 10:39:45 am PDT #4723 of 30003
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

I've tried pencils, but they never seem to get the depth of color I want. In the past I've done better with watercolors.


Maria - Sep 03, 2015 10:43:10 am PDT #4724 of 30003
Not so nice is that I'm about to ruin a Friday morning for a bunch of people because of a series of unfortunate events and an upset foreign government. - shrift

I'm trying really hard to not be tone deaf, and I feel like I'm failing.

Oh, BLM is Black Lives Matter, not Bureau of Land Management.

I'm working on something for the Bureau of Land Management right now, and I have to be super careful when I'm multi-tasking.


meara - Sep 03, 2015 10:48:07 am PDT #4725 of 30003

What kind of watercolords, Toddson? I got some fancy pencils, but am not in love with them. I also recently got an app on my ipad where I can take a picture of the coloring book page, and then paint on top of that, which is kinda neat.

Fist bump to you, amyth. Just talked to my boss, and she hears my frustrations (and is also disappointed) and said they're trying to at least get a contractor to help, if not someone already with the company, but I know that'll take a few weeks to get going even once they actually GET someone, so...ugh.

Maria, I can think of lots of ways "allies" can be unhelpful, though the way she put it is kinda awful sounding. Certainly when "allies" end up making it all about themselves, that could make you go "not helpful, please remember you need to be a SMALL role, and not talking over folks or taking over or focusing on your own stuff", but...:(


Maria - Sep 03, 2015 10:55:34 am PDT #4726 of 30003
Not so nice is that I'm about to ruin a Friday morning for a bunch of people because of a series of unfortunate events and an upset foreign government. - shrift

To clarify, my friend is white. This is what she was reading from the group. I get that allies can be unhelpful, but the awful way it was put doesn't make anyone any more sympathetic to the cause.

I'm glad they're trying to help you out in whatever way they can meara. I wish the work stress would disappear for all of us.


Connie Neil - Sep 03, 2015 10:57:17 am PDT #4727 of 30003
brillig

I haven't worked in watercolors since I was a kid. I like the ideas of pencils because there's so little fuss.


Maria - Sep 03, 2015 10:59:01 am PDT #4728 of 30003
Not so nice is that I'm about to ruin a Friday morning for a bunch of people because of a series of unfortunate events and an upset foreign government. - shrift

Healing~ma for your mom, DC.


-t - Sep 03, 2015 11:23:45 am PDT #4729 of 30003
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

My mom was just telling me about an exhibit she saw recently that included watercolours that look sharp and clear like photographs (painted in the 19th - early 20th century, I believe). I can't even picture that.


Toddson - Sep 03, 2015 11:25:04 am PDT #4730 of 30003
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

The watercolors were ... well, the little cakes in compartments in a metal container. I had one that was the watercolor equivaent of the 64 color crayon box - lots of non-standard colors - so I could get some lovely combinations.

And, off topic, news from Australia (news in that it's something that won't try to kill you ... probably).


Toddson - Sep 03, 2015 12:07:32 pm PDT #4731 of 30003
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

I'm about to start screaming at people in my office. The guy who sits next to me has started an office fantasy football thing. So for the past FOUR DAYS it's been all football, all day, all at full volume. The woman who sits on the other side of him yells - her normal tone of voice - usually with her mouth full of food. Between the constant distraction - and yesterday my boss was standing at my desk trying to talk to me and I COULDN'T HEAR HIM TALKING - and the fact that I don't like football to start with, I am ready to start screaming.


brenda m - Sep 03, 2015 12:11:03 pm PDT #4732 of 30003
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

And the local BLM groups are becoming more vocal in my area. One of my good friends is the director of communications for a community action group. She just texted me that they've blocked a few white allies because they "don't understand the narrow prescribed role for whites in this movement... we don't need anyone but strong black people." I'm trying really hard to understand how this is going to make anything better. I cannot fathom what their lives are as POC, and I can only try to support them in whatever way they need support, but I'm struggling with this. I understand they're angry, but how is alienating people who want to help helpful?

I think there is a level of frustration with both white allies wanting, often subconsciously, to walk in and take over, and also with white fragility, that you have to read in to these interactions. Similarly to how women are often tasked with both doing their own part and to be emotional caretakers of men in discussions of sexism.

White people, even the most well meaning and genuine allies, are frequently just not that good at letting someone else take center stage. (Hell, look at that language I just used - letting. Maybe better to say "not that good at recognizing that someone not them belongs center stage".) So well-meaning ally becomes something that actually drains some energy and requires tending and feeding and why?

There are resources out there with recommendations for how white people can be allies in a way that doesn't take roles or energy from the people actually impacted. Or that can be even more effective - is a white face at a BLM demonstration more or less effective than a white person learning to recognize when and how to push back on their families and (mostly white) communities when they see racist or otherwise problematic behaviors?

More political than I like to get here, but bottom line, I think as people who want to be genuine allies, we need to be okay with being made uncomfortable and with not being a priority once in a while, and find our own channels.

ETA: I was heartbroken when at about age 18 or 19 I had a chance to meet Betty Shabazz and got smacked down for turning the conversation to what white people could do to help. It took me a long time to really get what she meant, and absorb it.