When there is a holiday, that 80 hour threshold still applies even though it can only be reached if you WORK OT.

Now that is wrong. I'm having a hard time believing that's legal.

I vaguely remember some past job where OT was deducted from PTO time taken during the pay period, because of some undefined policy that I interpreted as "you're getting away with something" by taking time off while actually working over, as if the OT was your proper punishment for thinking you could skive out of your responsibilities with PTO. I'm wondering if this is something specific to Right To Work states, ie, Be glad you're working at all for what we pay you, scum. Right To Work is why I like working for big companies that have to answer to higher-ups in non-RTW states, who don't like having iffy-though-legal labor practices lurking in the corners of their conglomerate. Local Utah businessmen too often have figured out how they can work the system to screw the little guy. (There's a reason Affinity Fraud is practically the state sport here.)

Just so I have it straight: Suzi, you are salaried, and classified exempt, correct? If you are, they have much more leeway than if you were non-exempt.

IIRC, your org also plays in the government contracting field. This might be helpful: [link]

I'm salaried non-exempt.

edit - I take that back, I am exempt. I'm reading up on policy while I'm waiting for a meeting that was supposed to start at 1 to start. The other person asked for a delay til 1:30, but still hasn't shown up.

Needing to actually work over 80 hours to get OT actually does sound right, but you should get holiday pay+ straight pay for hours worked. I might need a spreadsheet to explain what I mean...

Ooh, you might have a very good case then. You should be paid time and half for all hours over 40 that you worked, though I'm much less certain how holidays play into that.

I have to admit, I see some atheists (#notallatheists, okay?) on FB making snide comments like "your invisible sky fairy" and I'm sooooooper unimpressed with their self-righteousness. And that shit contributes to the unfair stereotype that all atheists are dicks about it (which they are NOT).

This. I find the self-righteousness of the Some God believers equally annoying as the self-righteousness of Some atheists. IMHO, none of us are going to know for sure until we are dead, and maybe not then. A billion years ago I went to hear Billy Graham speak because my orator DH was curious. He PROMISED from the podium that if you came forward you would go to heaven. That really upset me, for obvious reasons. Not so much a promise he could grant.

Anyway, this doctor death has hit me hard on a couple levels. He wasn't one of my favorites at all. Kind of an ass, but always nice enough to me. I think he was about my age, MD license in '83, so sounds like in his 60s. About a month ago his nurse for about the last 30 years had a massive seizure followed up by strokes. The practice was of course devastated by that, and no doubt he was grieving over her loss. I don't know if her forced retirement was a factor in his decision to retire or if that was already in the plan. But he was going to hang up his stethoscope and retire in 6 weeks. Then boom, gone. Being a doctor in a hospital he practiced in they did everything possible and no doubt a whole lot more, but the damage was too great. He was part of a large group and I wouldn't be surprised if some of the docs that have been discussing retiring might get more serious.

It would be really nice if I didn't go while I was working, but given the % of my hours that are spent doing just that, the odds are not in my favor. Blah.

edit to move around random commas just because

I have to admit, I see some atheists (#notallatheists, okay?) on FB making snide comments like "your invisible sky fairy" and I'm sooooooper unimpressed with their self-righteousness.

Yeah, that really bothers me. It's always upsetting when someone from my tribe (so to speak) does stuff to reinforce negative stereotypes. Same in regard to politics.

Same in regard to politics.

Exactly! I can deal with the other side being asses, but I would prefer my side be beyond reproach.

There are always assholes in every group. All you can hope is that there are enough non-assholes who are loud enough that people not in your group don't identify the whole group with the assholes. You know?