The above is in re: my (ashamedly) slow move from civil marriage support to full marriage equality support. I'm not proud of the speed of my evolution. That said, I did have an evolution, and so I felt sorry for Obama, when he was roundly mocked for saying he had evolved. I was never for shutting same sex families out of their civil rights. I was just slow to realize that extending marriage was the best answer. I'm sorry to anyone here, who I hurt with my reticence.

I get stroppy with people who refuse to accept that, for some people, there was an evolution needed! Like, we're all trying to unpack our shit, and some of us have more layers to get through than others, damn it! The evolution is a good thing! You did it, Hillary did it, Obama did it: there's just a lot of baggage that was there that had to be gone through!

What Plei said. 20 years ago, marriage was a pipe dream. 10 years ago, civil unions seemed like an acceptable option. I'd rather see honest evolution than clinging to a position for fear of being seen as inconsistent.

NPR interviewed David Duke this morning. As much as Trump is stupid and self-centered and not to be trusted with any kind of power, Duke is just fucking evil.

I can't even listen to NPR. They're (disappointingly, to my mind) extending the right far too much courtesy, and never really challenging the wrongness and the lying. I'm reading a lot more about the national election at the Washington Post, which after Trump banned them, has no fucks to give and so is outright in the tank for Clinton. Much easier on my nerves.

I'm reading a lot more about the national election at the Washington Post, which after Trump banned them, has no fucks to give and so is outright in the tank for Clinton.

It's very refreshing.

Evulotion is a good thing! You did it, Hillary did it, Obama did it: there's just a lot of baggage that was there that had to be gone through!

Like oh em gee elected officials who can be persuaded to listen to people's wants and needs!

hmm ... it's almost like the "but we've ALWAYS done it that way" you get in business

For coverage, may I also recommend Charles P. Pierce on Esquire? he brings the snark and a good deal of intelligent comments ... at least, intelligent to me (lefty that I am).

And Elizabeth Warren, asked why Wall Street is now more for Hillary than Trump, commented, Nuclear war is bad for business.

Yeah WTH is up with NPR? Yesterday on Which Way, LA? they were discussing the point that many people believe, for religious or 'other' reasons, that women should never be allowed to hold a leadership position over men. And I'm listening to this and neither the host nor the 'experts' are calling out such beliefs as sexist, even when one position presented as 'reasonable' starts with "I'm not sexist but..."

What is wrong with respectfully calling out such beliefs as sexist? Arrgh!

extending the right far too much courtesy, and never really challenging the wrongness and the lying.

Exactly with almost all the media. It is infuriating. THIS is what gave us Donald Trump as a 'serious' candidate for president.

20 years ago, marriage was a pipe dream. 10 years ago, civil unions seemed like an acceptable option.

I do give public figures of a certain age somewhat a pass on the evolution, because I have seen it with friends and family. It was a significant change of accepted norms. Within a block of my house as a kid were 2 separate same sex couple households, so between that and my parents non-bigoted natures it was always normal for me. That isn't the case with all people of my age. The turn around has been really more rapid than anticipated, which of course a wonderful thing. My children will tell stories to my grandchildren about the days when same sex marriage was illegal and they will find it ridiculous.

I think the media takes the "balanced reporting" thing too far - someone comes on and makes statements that are wrong, or not in tune with current thinking (as in the position of women in leadership roles) and they're given the same, shall we say respect, as someone else with either facts or more current positions. And you know, I'm old enough to remember when newspaper help wanted ads were divided with different listings for men and women.