And Kaylee, what the hell's goin' on in the engine room? Were there monkeys? Some terrifying space monkeys maybe got loose?

Mal ,'The Train Job'


Natter 74: Ready or Not  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Connie Neil - Jul 22, 2016 3:25:00 pm PDT #24931 of 30003
brillig

I'll take a perception of reliability vs radicalism, especially compared to Il Duce The Second.


Steph L. - Jul 22, 2016 3:28:10 pm PDT #24932 of 30003
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

So it is Clinton/Kaine. Not thrilling to the left, but I have to accept it is the best plan. Most are already set. It is those pesky undecideds that have to be won over.

I think he's a good choice. He might get some of the people who hate Trump but have been on the fence about Clinton.


Calli - Jul 22, 2016 3:51:48 pm PDT #24933 of 30003
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

So it is Clinton/Kaine.

Meh. Compared to Trump, "meh" is a unicorn/Jesus ticket, and it's not like I was going to vote Republcan no matter who HRC picked. But on its own merits, meh.


lisah - Jul 22, 2016 5:07:10 pm PDT #24934 of 30003
Punishingly Intricate

There's one like that in Lisah's hood. Great place, totally a warren. I can never remember the name right, so always end up calling it some variation on Falkenfrickinnfrack.
Ha! Falkenham's! They are great.


Gudanov - Jul 22, 2016 5:52:51 pm PDT #24935 of 30003
Coding and Sleeping

So it is Clinton/Kaine.

I don't like it. The Hillary campaign is going with a prevent defense, making me think they think the game isn't as close as it really is.


Gudanov - Jul 22, 2016 5:58:43 pm PDT #24936 of 30003
Coding and Sleeping

Did the place smell like wood varnish and machine oil and paint thinner and old cardboard and history?

Pretty much. Just one guy there who I think was the owner. He told me how much the fan cost before going into the back to get one. It cost a little bit more than that so he gave me a discount.


billytea - Jul 22, 2016 7:58:10 pm PDT #24937 of 30003
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Don't look at fivethirtyeight's polls/polls-plus predictions right now. Jesus. (I know it's the post-RNC bounce, and things will look really different next Friday, but DAMN. I mean. HOW. WHY. HOW.)

It's not a post-RNC bounce. There aren't any polls covering the period past about 20 July yet. The current estimates are heavily influenced by a set of state polls from Quinnipiac which are particularly favourable to Trump. Quinnipiac is pretty reputable, they're no Rasmussen; but from what I understand, I think they might be unusually generous in their assumptions on turnout among white voters. (That said, I think it's clear the conclusion to the email investigation did hurt her.)

I'm not sure how much of a bounce Trump will get from the RNC, if any. It wasn't a complete tyre fire, but they did have the plagiarism scandal and Cruz' PUMA hatchet job. The optics and headlines aren't terrific. And the content was pretty much wall-to-wall dystopia. Conventional wisdom is that hopeful messages usually play better. Sure, the party faithful will love it (and inexplicably seemed to regard Trump's speech as positive), but will it sway voters who weren't already on board?

I think the post-conventions bounce is pretty much Hillary's to win at this point.


Laura - Jul 23, 2016 3:28:09 am PDT #24938 of 30003
Our wings are not tired.

Thank you, bt. I need to believe. When I see Trump, and more so his supporters, I get a certain tightness in my chest.


sarameg - Jul 23, 2016 4:30:25 am PDT #24939 of 30003

Oh god, that trip to market was sweltering. Shower after went from lukewarm to just plain cold. Revised plan for the day: haircut, TJs, then straight to the pool. I may just spend the whole afternoon there after my swim. Or head to Druid pool to people watch.


Sheryl - Jul 23, 2016 5:51:53 am PDT #24940 of 30003
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

Timelies all!

Not much going on here, and that's fine by me.