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Dana, a lot of people are doing that not just mentally
I have super complicated feelings about Tony. He's not totally wrong -- it would be a stupid lazy caricature of a movie if he were -- and in the places where he fucked up, well, you can see how his enormous damage is driving it. I'm not Team Tony, but I am Team Hug Tony And Get Him 8 Hours A Day Of Therapy And A Puppy Now.
Even when I otherwise adore them, the Tony Stark Defense Squad makes me grind my teeth, especially in the context of something that's labelled a Cap movie.
And there weren't any good answers to be had, there really weren't.
I should specify with whitefont one that it's on Tumblr and meme where the teeth gritting happens.
I just read a post (by Minnow, for those of you who know who she is) that mentioned how Tony always outsourced his restraint. He had people to say "Tony, no", and with this, he was trying to outsource it to the Accords.
I had conversations along that line before the movie!
I am basically only discussing it here. MCU fandom is so fraught right now
Tony loses Jarvis in Ultron (still not forgiving that), he loses Pepper here, and nearly Rhodey. The man's not in a happy place in terms of support.
The man's not in a happy place in terms of support.
Oh, he's definitely not. He has PTSD from Manhattan and he has a lifetime of issues from even before he ever ended up in that cave in Afghanistan. He needs intensive puppy therapy.
I'm not anti-Tony, but I am anti-Tony's choices.
I can't stress enough how much I loved the scene where Tony recruited Peter. It got me so hard in all the feels. His entire demeanor with this kid, this insanely brilliant orphan who is JUST LIKE HIM, was a thing of beauty.
Most of me really wants to believe that Steve actually addressed the letter to "Tony Stank."
HA! That delivery was the best.
OH SHIT! I just discovered I missed the post credits. I thought the mid-credits were it!!! damn damn damn. must go see again.
Meanwhile, on meme, anyone saying anything critical about Tony is being told they are clearly just an awful Stucky shipper. Sigh. The MCU fights there: worse than ever. I just wanted to find more Natasha discussion!