Simon ,'Objects In Space'
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More like Iron Man 5, after AoU.
NO HEADBANDS. Way more tight shirts, though.
One thing I keep thinking of, I love that Steve basically attracts people who are all, "I'm in." no questions asked. It's something I thought they did really well with Sharon. I'm also thinking, based on Sam's reaction at Peggy's funeral, that they'd been interacting some with Sharon in the time between AoU and Civil War, possibly with some additional awkward low-key flirting like we saw in Winter Solider.
I think it's interesting, to me at least, that the key breaking point wasn't actually Bucky: it was Wanda.
There's also a thought I've had, one that's going to take a rewatch to gel, about how roles were shaking out and why it was Wanda who was in that position that comes down to the backgrounds of the characters around her and what they did/didn't have themselves as vulnerable young adults, if that makes sense.
Serial posting, sorry.
so, you've got a couple of orphans, if I'm going to limit this to just Steve and Tony, dealing with how to best protect another one, and what that protection means, and you've got Steve, who for obvious reasons really, really, really values being given a choice in the matter of being protected and Tony, who for various other reasons, really kind of wishes there'd been someone looking out for him even before his parents died. And this is where I kind of need to rewatch, because it's just something I thought about while I was doing yardwork last night, so it's still inchoate as far as thoughts go.
I'm having trouble parsing the irony of Thunderbolt Ross being the one who pitches the Sokovia Accords, when he is the one who was ultimately responsible for getting a piece of Harlem destroyed in The Incredible Hulk. He really needed to be called out on that. But then again, hardly anyone in the audience would know what they're talking about.
Add to that (oh, man, I just hate doing the go back and edit--sorry again)
that Steve was there, Tony wasn't, and he knows/feels he bears responsibility for what happened, not just Wanda. And that's where I start to get into the more complicated pieces that get really loose in terms of thought formation because it's all about stuff like fraternal vs. paternal relationship dynamics.
there's also more stuff, unrelated to that, about how a lot of the undercurrents are about how people see Steve, and if they see him first, or Captain America first. And this isn't something that's side-related. Like, Natasha really obviously sees him as Steve before Cap. Scott clearly, clearly, clearly and to the great amusement of most, does not. And it feels like it plays out most in terms of Steve and Tony: where there's this blocking aspect between them and it's hard for Tony to actually see past Captain America and what he grew up believing about him. It actually sold me on them being friends more than Ultron did, but that awkward kind of friendship where you haven't quite hit the deeper layers yet.
Not whitefonting, because my thought here isn't spoilery:
One thing I keep thinking of, I love that Steve basically attracts people who are all, "I'm in." no questions asked.
It only hit me yesterday when I was watching Winter Soldier how much Sam's "consider this a resume" reminded me of Watson in BBC Sherlock getting totally on board with this crazypants detective. Sam at the VA was all "I love being out of active duty and taking orders from no one and running around the Mall waiting to hit on super-soldiers!" and then he turns around and just happens to have his files laying around and is all I AM ON YOUR TEAM NOW OKAY I WANT THIS I NEED IT BACK IN MY LIFE ALSO I LOVE YOU.
Not a perfect comparison (Steve is no Sherlock, thank god), but Sam does have more than a little bit of BBC Watson in him.
Sorry, now I just went to the bad MCU slash place, damn it. Stupid casting stuff.
ANYHOW.
Yeah, I can see that.
"Bad" MCU slash? I don't understand.
I just went to an MCU/Sherlockverse Xover slash place and now I need a drink and a couple episodes of Hannibal to cleanse my brain palate.
I just turned on Winter Soldier, and am already feeling better with a little of my BROT3.
"Bad" MCU slash? I don't understand.
Martin Freeman.