Tep, as far as recruiting Peter goes--I don't think Tony thought he was recruiting a kid to fight a battle that would get him killed: I think he thought (and, really, was) recruiting a kid to fight a battle that wasn't likely to end in anyone's death, as the whole point was that they'd been given a certain narrow window of time to bring in Steve and company, and in terms of battles, that's not the same as going up against Ultron.

OK, that's what I thought The Thing was! Thanks.

And who the hell does Zemo remind me of?

I thought it was funny that Daniel Bruhl was in this movie, because I only know him from Rush, which I saw for the Hems.

I will say, and I say this as someone who would dearly love to see it again today if at all possible, tomorrow at the latest, it needed more Steve Rogers. They did a good job with a huge cast, but there was way the hell too much Tony front and center for a Captain America movie. I mean, I had complaints about too much Tony in Ultron, but at least Ultron was Avengers: Age of Ultron, y'know? It's not a screen time thing, it's a who got the most character beat pieces. Someone was complaining that it felt like Steve was a supporting character in his own movie, which, yeah, it did feel like that at times, especially the second half of the movie.

Plus, his helmet was on way too much. Needed less helmet, more tight shirts.

Tep, as far as

I get that, but then Tony also thought Ultron was a good idea. He doesn't think his plans through, is what I'm saying. But I still loved that scene. Like the Grinch's heart growing 3 sizes way.

Oh, totally agree that it needed more Steve. It felt too much like an Avengers movie, or Iron Man 4. And definitely less helmet and more tight shirts. And a headband for Bucky.

Out of character to create Ultron? Because I think it was totally in-character.

This question isn't spoilery, so. I thought it was OOC a bit, because he had kind of gotten his shit together by the end of IM3, and to have him sort of rebound to "build big shit to fix things!" seemed retrograde. But a lot of the character work in AoU was off, as we noted at the time -- it definitely seemed like a movie that forgot about CA:TWS as well.

It's not a point I'm going to fight too hard to defend, though. The bigger point of CA:CW not acknowledging the difference between truly external forces and actual failures/wrongdoing on the part of various Avengers still stands, though. Basically, I wanted more build-up and better character development to support the conflict, and I don't really think we got it.

It didn't surprise me at all, though, to have Tony bring in a 16-year-old kid. Because Tony. Also, I don't think anyone considered this a fight to the death, except possibly T'Challa and Bucky himself. And frankly the only way this storyline works is because they're all superhuman and can't be killed by being thrown into the side of a plane from 30 yards away...

More like Iron Man 5, after AoU.

NO HEADBANDS. Way more tight shirts, though.

One thing I keep thinking of, I love that Steve basically attracts people who are all, "I'm in." no questions asked. It's something I thought they did really well with Sharon. I'm also thinking, based on Sam's reaction at Peggy's funeral, that they'd been interacting some with Sharon in the time between AoU and Civil War, possibly with some additional awkward low-key flirting like we saw in Winter Solider.

I think it's interesting, to me at least, that the key breaking point wasn't actually Bucky: it was Wanda.

There's also a thought I've had, one that's going to take a rewatch to gel, about how roles were shaking out and why it was Wanda who was in that position that comes down to the backgrounds of the characters around her and what they did/didn't have themselves as vulnerable young adults, if that makes sense.

Serial posting, sorry.

so, you've got a couple of orphans, if I'm going to limit this to just Steve and Tony, dealing with how to best protect another one, and what that protection means, and you've got Steve, who for obvious reasons really, really, really values being given a choice in the matter of being protected and Tony, who for various other reasons, really kind of wishes there'd been someone looking out for him even before his parents died. And this is where I kind of need to rewatch, because it's just something I thought about while I was doing yardwork last night, so it's still inchoate as far as thoughts go.

I'm having trouble parsing the irony of Thunderbolt Ross being the one who pitches the Sokovia Accords, when he is the one who was ultimately responsible for getting a piece of Harlem destroyed in The Incredible Hulk. He really needed to be called out on that. But then again, hardly anyone in the audience would know what they're talking about.