Zoe: Captain will come up with a plan. Kaylee: That's good. Right? Zoe: Possibly you're not recalling some of his previous plans.

'Safe'


Marvel Universe: Infinite Chrises

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Calli - Jan 17, 2016 1:55:03 pm PST #550 of 4001
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

Yay! I raise a bourbon-based drink in Jessica Jones' honor.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 19, 2016 4:12:40 pm PST #551 of 4001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Now that was the best fight sequence I've seen on TV in a good long time.


Jesse - Jan 19, 2016 4:12:44 pm PST #552 of 4001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Are you people watching the Captain America special? At the very end, someone's saying something about how there's "always a Captain America," and the b-roll under that is MLK, Amelia Earhart, a guy I didn't recognize, John McCain, and Harvey Milk. Now THAT is covering some bases!


Connie Neil - Jan 19, 2016 4:29:52 pm PST #553 of 4001
brillig

Is Angie in this season?


Vortex - Jan 19, 2016 6:03:12 pm PST #554 of 4001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I'm a little annoyed with the treatment of race in this ep of Peggy Carter. At first, I thought that it was color blind casting, because no black man would have dared to be that forward with a white woman, especially one that he didn't know.

And then there was the janitor comment, and the "colored crowd" comment (more in keeping with the time). But, there's no way that a white woman would have walked into a place like the Dunbar unescorted without garnering a lot of attention (nor could the spying white guy be unnoticed).

Further, Wilkes would have been under a microscope at Isodyne, there's no way that he would have been able to sneak anywhere.

So, it's nice that Joss wanted Peggy to be so egalitarian and color-blind, but it just wasn't realistic.

Otherwise, great ep!

p.s. - no body means he'll be back. Possibly with superpowers.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 19, 2016 7:00:10 pm PST #555 of 4001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Yeah, Peggy walking into the Dunbar to no reaction reminded me of the MAD Magazine spoof of Live and Let Die:

"My assignment is to find 'Mr. Big' of Harlem. I think I'll just lean against this bar with my blond hair and blue eyes, Oxford clothes and English accent, and casually blend in so they won't notice me!"


Connie Neil - Jan 19, 2016 7:10:29 pm PST #556 of 4001
brillig

I think a more realistic treatment of race would have slowed down the story and changed the focus of the show. I don't see it as too remarkable of Peggy to be egalitarian. From what I've seen, England didn't have near the race issues as Americans did (or do, my info is on the war years, not current). I do hope he shows up again.

And I don't want Daniel to dump his nurse for Peggy!

I miss Angie, but Anna Jarvis is a hoot! I hope she got to spoil Tony rotten.


Vortex - Jan 19, 2016 7:29:12 pm PST #557 of 4001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I think a more realistic treatment of race would have slowed down the story and changed the focus of the show.

It may have slowed down the story, but they certainly could have addressed it and still made plot points. For example, if Wilkes had disguised himself as a janitor to sneak into the restricted area, and then when asked how he got the film say something like "people see what they want to see".

Or had Peggy arrive at the Dunbar to stares, but then have Wilkes say "she's with me".

From what I've seen, England didn't have near the race issues as Americans did (or do, my info is on the war years, not current)

No, that's true. But Peggy's indignant response and Wilkes' addressing to the counterman at the diner was also uncharacteristic of the time. This is a time even before Emmett Till, who was lynched because he was accused of whistling at a white woman. California may have been more liberal than Mississipi, but it was no utopia.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 19, 2016 9:42:14 pm PST #558 of 4001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I can see Peggy being unconcerned with the race of a man she's interested in, that's no problem. But she's been living in America for years. No way would open racism be an outrageous surprise to her.

I also think Dr. Wilkes was unrealistically (and dangerously for him) forward in flirting with her. Given the setting, he had no real reason to expect a positive reaction from Peggy with as little interaction as they'd had at that point, and every reason to expect negative ones from just about every onlooker observing an interracial couple being cozy with one another.


Typo Boy - Jan 19, 2016 9:46:51 pm PST #559 of 4001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Peggy's indignat response might not have been out of character for an Englishwoman of the time. I grew up - well all over California, but one of my neighborhoods was Baldwin Hills, which was majority Black. And some of the older Black WWII vets would tell stories about being stationed in England. And some of the officers told pub owners that American servicemen were not used to racially mixed bars. And response usually was along the lines of posting a sign"White American Servicemen not welcome in this bar." Also while the fathers of the English girls were generally not happy about them dating any American serviceman, they were often more tolerant of them dating Black soldiers than White ones, because the Black soldiers were less aggressive and more polite. So while the blending in was badly handled, Peggy being egalitarian on race was not that out of the question.

I don't want to paint WWII England as a racial paradise. Plenty of racism, mainly against South Asians and Arabs, but certainly spilled over into Africans. But not nearly as universal as in the USA. You had a lot more English people who were aware of racism and explicitly resisted it than in the US - at least when it came to color-based racism as opposed to oppression based upon nationality and non-racial ethnic grouping.