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Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 19, 2016 9:42:14 pm PST #558 of 4001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I can see Peggy being unconcerned with the race of a man she's interested in, that's no problem. But she's been living in America for years. No way would open racism be an outrageous surprise to her.

I also think Dr. Wilkes was unrealistically (and dangerously for him) forward in flirting with her. Given the setting, he had no real reason to expect a positive reaction from Peggy with as little interaction as they'd had at that point, and every reason to expect negative ones from just about every onlooker observing an interracial couple being cozy with one another.


Typo Boy - Jan 19, 2016 9:46:51 pm PST #559 of 4001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Peggy's indignat response might not have been out of character for an Englishwoman of the time. I grew up - well all over California, but one of my neighborhoods was Baldwin Hills, which was majority Black. And some of the older Black WWII vets would tell stories about being stationed in England. And some of the officers told pub owners that American servicemen were not used to racially mixed bars. And response usually was along the lines of posting a sign"White American Servicemen not welcome in this bar." Also while the fathers of the English girls were generally not happy about them dating any American serviceman, they were often more tolerant of them dating Black soldiers than White ones, because the Black soldiers were less aggressive and more polite. So while the blending in was badly handled, Peggy being egalitarian on race was not that out of the question.

I don't want to paint WWII England as a racial paradise. Plenty of racism, mainly against South Asians and Arabs, but certainly spilled over into Africans. But not nearly as universal as in the USA. You had a lot more English people who were aware of racism and explicitly resisted it than in the US - at least when it came to color-based racism as opposed to oppression based upon nationality and non-racial ethnic grouping.


Typo Boy - Jan 19, 2016 9:49:43 pm PST #560 of 4001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Matts point about here not being surprised is well taken though. Although for someone living in NY and not interacting much with people of color, I can sort of see her being clueless about how pervasive racism is. Especially if dating Captain America gave a bit rainbow colored picture of the USA.


aurelia - Jan 20, 2016 8:12:01 pm PST #561 of 4001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

So, it's nice that Joss wanted Peggy to be so egalitarian and color-blind, but it just wasn't realistic.

How does Joss fit in?


Scrappy - Jan 21, 2016 11:23:05 am PST #562 of 4001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

No one has mentioned "Who's this clown?" yet? I laughed so hard at that line (and pan to actual clown) and still laugh when I think about it.


Connie Neil - Jan 21, 2016 11:38:07 am PST #563 of 4001
brillig

That was a nice throw-away.


Polter-Cow - Jan 21, 2016 12:53:21 pm PST #564 of 4001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

No one has mentioned "Who's this clown?" yet? I laughed so hard at that line (and pan to actual clown) and still laugh when I think about it.

That was really great.


Vortex - Jan 21, 2016 7:59:04 pm PST #565 of 4001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I can see Peggy being unconcerned with the race of a man she's interested in, that's no problem. But she's been living in America for years. No way would open racism be an outrageous surprise to her.

Yes, this.


Steph L. - Jan 22, 2016 4:04:58 pm PST #566 of 4001
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

Did anyone else think that the actor who plays Wilkes has STRONG Obama-isms? Vocal inflection, mannerisms, smile?

Also, I kind of think Daniel's nurse ladyfriend is Red Room. Also possibly the actress. (Though it seems like maybe the Zero Matter is...inside her? Or at least some of it?)


Connie Neil - Jan 22, 2016 5:00:02 pm PST #567 of 4001
brillig

I'm curious as to how subtle the Senator is going to be about what I'm sure is Thompson's (Thomlinson?) Hydrafication. And if T-whomever will have enough backbone to resist.