Gwen: Demon, OK? The whole nine—cloven feet and horns and teeth. He wasn't wearing lamé though. Lorne: Yeah, the evil ones can't pull it off. It gets camp.

'Harm's Way'


Marvel Universe: Infinite Chrises

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amyparker - Apr 08, 2021 1:48:45 pm PDT #3297 of 4004
You've got friends to have good times with. When you need to share the trauma of a badly-written book with someone, that's when you go to family.

Spoilery for Ep. 3: Thread is by a care provider who's done trauma-informed therapy with active-duty military personnel, and could I have this story? I would like it much more than what I've had so far.

I’m just saying, if that was me [Bucky] would be on my big squishy couch, bright open windows, bowl of Hershey kisses, random fidget toys, and two therapy dogs laying all over him while we work through that trauma and he builds back his identity and finds the calm he wants so badly.


Steph L. - Apr 08, 2021 2:05:37 pm PDT #3298 of 4004
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

Spoilery for Ep. 3: Thread is by a care provider who's done trauma-informed therapy with active-duty military personnel, and could I have this story? I would like it much more than what I've had so far.

Fucking THANK YOU. My brother (an actual therapist with a focus on people with PTSD and PTSD-C) and I have ranted about Bucky's therapist at length.

"THE AMENDS—this is probably my biggest issue. Amends are for people who need to take accountability for their actions and the repercussions of those choices. He had NO choice. He was a victim of horrific crimes against him, and framing it in a way that he needs to make up for the crimes that others used him for is abhorrent. The lack of trauma informed care as astounding in the way it is being framed that he has to atone for sins that weren’t his."

^^^^That's my biggest problem as well. That is so deeply, deeply fucked up.

"To me, I think she is more focused on signing off on his psychological eval that he isn't a liability rather than any actual healing or attention to his trauma."

^^^That's pretty much it. And, I don't know, maybe Marvel is trying to make the point that it's shitty therapy...but I don't actually believe that they're thoughtful enough for that.

It's jarring to go from the nuanced look at Wanda's grief to this shitshow that boils down to "fuck your trauma and DO BETTER."


amyparker - Apr 08, 2021 2:24:54 pm PDT #3299 of 4004
You've got friends to have good times with. When you need to share the trauma of a badly-written book with someone, that's when you go to family.

My favorite fics are the ones in which someone - often Sam, in fact! - says "You need to find a lawyer, one with experience handling prisoner of war cases, and you also need all the therapy OMG". How did the writers not come up with that?


Tom Scola - Apr 08, 2021 6:47:07 pm PDT #3300 of 4004
Mr. Scola’s wardrobe by Botany 500

One Hour of Dancing Zemo.


-t - Apr 09, 2021 8:45:29 am PDT #3301 of 4004
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Now is the time on Marvel when we dance?


Calli - Apr 09, 2021 8:56:16 am PDT #3302 of 4004
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

One Hour of Dancing Zemo.

How did I not know that I needed this?


Emily - Apr 09, 2021 3:11:28 pm PDT #3303 of 4004
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

In re: FatWS Ep 4

I am extremely wary of the show trying to make us forget that Zemo is evil, but I laughed out loud at his reaction to Sam predicting his head tilt. I think the actor is having a lot of fun.

I have such mixed feelings about this show! I find myself actually fast-forwarding through scenes that I feel are boilerplate, I'm frustrated with Marvel physics ( sometimes superstrength matters, sometimes anyone can throw people across the room ) and "conversations" where the writers already know it's not going to make any difference but they should pretend the characters want to talk it out ( maybe try "here's how governments will actually respond to your actions, and spoiler, it's not going to be good for the people already suffering!" ).

...but...

When the show actually lets things be complicated and emotional, it's getting to me, and that happened several times this episode: Bucky with Ayo in Wakanda, and then his reaction when she took his arm off, Zemo crushing the vials but Walker being tempted, Walker actually getting to be relatable briefly... I'm here for the difficult stuff.

Okay but guys I don't have anyone to talk about this stuff with! You've gotta watch! And tell me if you also think John Walker had a brain tumor even before he took the serum.


askye - Apr 09, 2021 7:15:40 pm PDT #3304 of 4004
Thrive to spite them

I thought that John Walker had be given a small dose of the serum or was brain washed or something. Also I was wondering how he had actually acted on those days he got Medals of Honor for because of bending the rules or resorting to violence. Although I feel like him acting unstable was new. I wish there was more time for things to breathe because we went right from- Walker is an arrogant ass, to Walker is acting kind of unstable, to Walker is tempted by the serum and right into- Walker took the serum and It Was Not Good. Plus Karli talked about chills and feeling the worst they had ever felt. And Walker just took it and then BOOM! He was super soldier. I'm still thinking he had been given a small amount of the serum at some point. Or is brain washed. I really hope this isn't going to be HYDRA in the Gov or the GRC is run by ex HYDRA just because it would be nice for something different.

I just don't like Walker at all. Part of it is some of the choices that I'm not sure why those choices were made. He's a white guy, who it seems went to a HBCU. He gets the HBCU intro, he has a black best friend and a black wife and we don't get Sam as Captain America. I can understand why Sam wouldn't want to be Captain America and I can buy that I just...I dunno it just feels weird. And I haven't liked his attitude towards most things especially about being Captain America.


Emily - Apr 10, 2021 9:40:51 am PDT #3305 of 4004
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

It's an interesting idea and I would subscribe to your newsletter.

Also, I hadn't realized (or perhaps had forgotten) that there are only going to be SIX episodes? Six episodes and they had to edit out a major plot point - no wonder there are pacing issues!


askye - Apr 10, 2021 1:48:03 pm PDT #3306 of 4004
Thrive to spite them

It really needs to be longer. Mandolorian got 8 episodes and Wandavision got 9.

So there is no room for any moments to just sit and resonate. And while the opening combat fight was amazing it was way too long for so much story to be told . Plus where is Torres at this point?

We've got 2 episodes to deal with waht John Walker did . Karli and the Power Broker. And Zemo. And Bucky making amends. It's a lot.

I get that ditching a sub plot caused problems but I think there would still be pacing issues.

Especially compared to Wandavision or Mandolarian. I'm going to admit I wasn't hugely into Wandavision . And I know Mandolarian is Star wars and not MCU but I rarely felt like it was overstuffed..and I can't help comparing them since they are both Disney originals.