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He's not even an antagonist, not really, IMO.
He is, though. A sympathetic one, and one where we're supposed to see that many of his points are valid, but he's still an antagonist in the movie.
I guess I could accept that, but calling him a villain is a bridge too far for me. (I know that you didn't call Tony a villain, Plei, but Gris and Matt did, and I really just don't see that.)
I'm with Teppy.
Matt called out a couple of Tony's specific actions as befitting of a bad guy, and I don't disagree. What he did with Wanda was beyond the pale.
Ugh. On phone! Just had a thought re: their personality differences and how they define justice and ::hands:: I can't work if out here, and I would have to rewatch all the solo movies, but it also ties into some 616 stuff and, yeah.
I started a kerfuffle!
Sorry. I honestly don't like Civil War enough to have thought it through this much, so feel free to solidly ignore my opinion. I definitely meant antagonist more than villain, though.
Actual tactical planning, especially on the fly tactical planning, is not a strength for him, especially when he's emotionally compromised. (It is for Steve, even when he's emotionally compromised, perhaps especially when he's emotionally compromised--see First Avenger--because Steve Rogers is a tactical thinker who lacks any sense of self-preservation.)
To give credit where credit is due, I think Tony's actually quite good at on-the-fly tactical planning (see: saving the Helicarrier, blowing up that leviathan, and redirecting the nuke in Avengers and figuring out how to disintegrate Sokovia before impact in Age of Ultron). What he's terrible at is overall strategy and allowing for other people's input when determining objectives.
Yeah, your wording is better and clearer! I was thinking tactics + strategy.
Tony knew who Barnes was and knew what he'd been through.
He also knew Barnes had recently tried to shoot him in the face, so his perspective was probably affected.
What he did with Wanda was beyond the pale.
I agree.
In only slightly related news, I'm watching S2 of Jessica Jones and Punk Rock Jessica gives me life. Also, my inner Ray K fangirl is happy. So there's that.
I'm finally watching Thor: Ragnarok. It's funny!
I like this Korg much more than the dour one from Planet Hulk.
How caught up on the Netflix shows do I need to be for S2 of Jessica Jones? I stopped a few eps into Iron Fist and haven't seen The Defenders. If I need to see The Defenders, can I at least skip the rest of Iron Fist?