It says that the clips/interviews will be the FIRST hour, before "the final episode that will leave you breathless." Okay then!

Isn't it weird? Why wouldn't you just * end it with them being free? I don't know where you go from there. *

When is it okay to post in this thread without spoiler font? I feel bad Theresa has to do that work-around.

The first few years, SPN was the only thing that brought me out of my Angel depression. Angel’s finale still hurts. But after my series cancellation education all these years, I discovered something that made all the difference. I can CHOOSE my own series finale.

I completely agree with this. And in one season 5.22, "Swan Song" was my series finale. Since then, I've ignored the show for episodes at a time (even a season or two at a time), then come back to it. Even with "Swan Song," my head canon is that Sam and Dean (not Adam) jumped into Hell, to save our world from Lucifer and Michael's battle.

I think they could have also ended it after whatever season Sam did all the trials, in order to shut the gates of Hell, but actually had him go through with it.

I think Supernatural has probably been at least three distinct TV shows for me, but other than "Swan Song" I'm not sure where I'd draw the dividing lines.

That said, it was okayish with me (and mostly could have been written tighter), and I'm not entirely certain he meant romantic love for Dean. I think, personally, it was something bigger than that.

I feel a bunch of different ways about this.

Way 1: Representation matters, and so in one way, I like to think of it as Castiel being in love with Dean.

Way 2: Castiel is an angel. His love is going to be different than human love. I feel like romantic love is part of what they meant though, because Cas said he could never have what he wants.

Way 3: Cas had deep love for another angel whose name I can't remember. She was in female form after the angels fell, then she felt bad for her host's family, so she set her host free, I think (or set her free to die so her loved ones can have closure -- I can't keep it straight). I think later that angel took on male form. And I'm not sure where I'm going with this, except I think it ties into what Beverly referenced with the "top of the love pyramid" comment.

Basically, I think there are a bunch of ways, but I can't make my brain function enough to explain them right now.

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“ I feel bad Theresa has to do that work-around?

It was a trifling thing. It felt good to problem solve and have a Buffista ride to my rescue with the solution. Brought on the feels. It’s nice to talk TV with you again.

I think Supernatural has probably been at least three distinct TV shows.“

At least three for me. The first one ended somewhere in the third season because when Cas appeared In four, all Angel of the lord, it was already a different show. I love Misha, don’t get me wrong, but he wasn’t part of John, John’s journal and boys. Cas started a fun new show, but I felt the loss. These characters certainly didn’t follow the example of Gunsmoke and remain the same characters.

Castiel is an angel. His love is going to be different than human love.

So much yes. Remember when Castiel’s first Angel buddy was trying to understand Cas’ fascination with humans In season four? They talked about them with a certain amount of condescension. IIRC, the other Angel didn’t even like humans. Was it Uriel? So long ago. Anyway, Cas was definitely team human and always had a preference for Dean over Sam. Now whether it went beyond that of a favorite pet, i don’t know. I think there was an acknowledgement of that complexity when Cas told Dean that Dean was the best of the humans. However, I think for Cas to achieve perfect happiness by proclaiming love for Dean, there were implications.

It’s trite to say I missed you guys, but I did.

Edited because I didn’t remember html tags.

Edited again because Cindy is still awesome.

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Theresa, if you put a > at the beginning of a new line, then paste the copied text next to it, it will make it into a blockquote, like so:

It’s trite to say I missed you guys, but I did.

If there's a paragraph break in the text you're quoting, start each section with a >.

Remember when Castiel’s first Angel buddy was trying to understand Cas’ fascination with humans In season four? They talked about them with a certain amount of condescension. IIRC, the other Angel didn’t even like humans. Was it Uriel? So long ago. Anyway, Cas was definitely team human and always had a preference for Dean over Sam. Now whether it went beyond that of a favorite pet, i don’t know. I think there was an acknowledgement of that complexity when Cas told Dean that Dean was the best of the humans. However, I think for Cas to achieve perfect happiness by proclaiming love for Dean, there were implications.

I think Cas got past the angel supremacy when he joined Team Free Will. I definitely think it went beyond favorite pet. As you say, there were implications to the results of Castiel's declaration of love.

I dropped in, because the mayor of Lawrence, Kansas read a proclamation yesterday (during her last full meeting as mayor) declaring the Lawrence the hometown of Sam and Dean Winchester.

The mayor is adorable. She feels like a Buffista, and that proclamation was most certainly written by a fan. You can watch the video (cued up to the right part) on Twitter: [link]

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Thank you!

I dropped in, because the mayor of Lawrence, Kansas read a proclamation yesterday (during her last full meeting as mayor) declaring the Lawrence the hometown of Sam and Dean Winchester.

That hurt my heart in a good way. I’ve spent many years in that town. Four of them driving a ‘72 impala in the 1980s. I’ve never met a more deserving town.

I read somewhere that Jensen made sure he got one of the driving Babys. That makes me happy.

Did you all see the zoom call Misha arranged with Jared, Jensen, and Corey Booker to talk about voting and Corey says “Screw you Misha, I have questions “ and steers the conversation back to SPN? Awesomesauce. It’s still up on YouTube.

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I read somewhere that Jensen made sure he got one of the driving Babys. That makes me happy.

Both Jensen and Jared got one of the Impalas, but Jensen got the "hero car," which I take it is the best one. [link]

I didn't watch the call with Cory, but I think I saw snippets at the time. I love him.

I can't believe we're finally here at the finale. I also can't imagine what they're going to do in tonight's hour, given what we got last week. I'd say it's making me uneasy, but I'm already so uneasy about everything, who can say?

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Hello! In my heart I will be holding hands with all of you this evening.

I dropped in, because the mayor of Lawrence, Kansas read a proclamation yesterday (during her last full meeting as mayor) declaring the Lawrence the hometown of Sam and Dean Winchester.

That hurt my heart in a good way. I’ve spent many years in that town. Four of them driving a ‘72 impala in the 1980s. I’ve never met a more deserving town.

Okay, ladies, stop that now, because I can't start crying this early. And I definitely have to find that video. Thank god I have tomorrow off, because I can see a true deep dive into all the media around the show's ending.

Also, Theresa, it's so good to see you here! And it's always good to see Cindy.

One of the hardest things tonight is going to be missing ita so fucking much.

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The Lawrence, Kansas proclamation video is right in this tweet, Amy: [link]

Here it is on YouTube: [link]

One of the hardest things tonight is going to be missing ita so fucking much.

Oh Amy, I'm so sorry. ita really is the hole in our little Buffista world.

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Cereal...

So far, "The Road So Far" special is just getting on my nerves. There's nothing wrong with it, but it's little clips interspersed with snippets from the actors, Kripke, Singer et al.

I suppose it would be difficult because of Covid, but I'd rather see a panel-style thing after, than this before. My husband was the smart one. He decided to save it for after the finale.

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Supernatural finale spoilers

Okay, so Dean just died, and then Sam gave him a hunter's funeral. Now he's been called to Austin on a case. I mention where I am in the hour, because I might feel differently when the hour is up, but, I think Sam is the one who should have died. I think Dean is the one who had to learn to live without Sam.

Also, I'd like to call b.s. on Dean leaving his room a mess. The writers mightn't remember, but when the boys first found the bunker, it was Dean who kept his room as neat as you'd expect from the Daddy-pleasing son of an overbearing Marine.

It's 9:46pm ET, now. Show's back on.

And it's over. More finale:

I think the main events of the series finale would have been better placed as a much shorter denouement to last week. They really had to stretch it to fill a whole new episode. It was fine. It just fell flat for me. I feel bad for all of them, because I suspect Heaven would have been full of all the ones we've lost along the way, but Covid made the logistics too complicated.

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I haven’t seen the Road So Far special yet.

Thoughts without spoilers-

I saw so many people complaining on Twitter about the finale, but I didn’t hate it. Everyone would have preferences, but Covid, and other world influences have impacted the path of shows in the past.

I didn’t hate it. I might have written a couple things differently, but I can definitely live with this. I didn’t even need to watch Lebanon right away.

One of the hardest things tonight is going to be missing ita so fucking much.

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