Book: I believe I just... I think I'm on the wrong ship. Inara: Maybe. Or maybe you're exactly where you ought to be.

'Serenity'


Natter 73: Chuck Norris only wishes he could Natter  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


tommyrot - Jun 26, 2015 5:30:40 am PDT #29673 of 30000
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I just called my waitress over and told her the news. She said "Yes!" and high-fived me. Then she thanked me for telling her.


Kat - Jun 26, 2015 5:33:00 am PDT #29674 of 30000
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Interesting that in dissent, Roberts's it the most measured (celebrate the victory because it is the right thing but know that this has nothing to do with the Constitution according to me) and Scalia's, as ever, the most bitter (he called it something like fortune cookie nonsense) and Alito's response the most ill-formed (people who oppose SSM will be branded bigots, who will think of the persecuted Christian majority!).


Lee - Jun 26, 2015 5:33:04 am PDT #29675 of 30000
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I am not at work, and still in my night shirt. I should be taking steps to change both those things, but I don't seem to be doing so.


Steph L. - Jun 26, 2015 5:35:40 am PDT #29676 of 30000
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

Scalia is hippie punching from the bench? Seriously?

Scalia is such a drama queen.


brenda m - Jun 26, 2015 5:36:57 am PDT #29677 of 30000
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

The Supreme Court says you don't have to. Or I'm sure they will, presently.


-t - Jun 26, 2015 5:37:36 am PDT #29678 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

That is interesting, Kat.

One of the things someone said on the radio was "well, this is a 5-4 court, that's just where we are for any issue" which I don't really know how to react to but it's something I want to think about.


meara - Jun 26, 2015 5:39:53 am PDT #29679 of 30000

Pride will be awesomely extra celebratory! Yeehaw!


Sparky1 - Jun 26, 2015 5:51:06 am PDT #29680 of 30000
Librarian Warlord

Interesting that in dissent, Roberts's it the most measured (celebrate the victory because it is the right thing but know that this has nothing to do with the Constitution according to me) and Scalia's, as ever, the most bitter (he called it something like fortune cookie nonsense) and Alito's response the most ill-formed (people who oppose SSM will be branded bigots, who will think of the persecuted Christian majority!).

These seem to reflect what we know of their personalities. Although I don't think "bitter" quite captures Scalia's opinion -- at one point in his opinion he calls the majority opinion a "judicial Putsch."


Kat - Jun 26, 2015 5:52:10 am PDT #29681 of 30000
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I mean, Roberts is more measured, but he also says that this ruling could be applied to polygamous marriages.

He does note, though, that the democratic process of debate/conversation/change were being interrupted with this decision.

Here and abroad, people are in the midst of a serious and thoughtful public debate on the issue of samesex marriage. They see voters carefully considering samesex marriage, casting ballots in favor or opposed, and sometimes changing their minds. They see political leaders similarly reexamining their positions, and either reversing course or explaining adherence to old convictions confirmed anew. They see governments and businesses modifying policies and practices with respect to same-sex couples, and participating actively in the civic discourse. They see countries overseas democratically accepting profound social change, or declining to do so. This deliberative process is making people take seriously questions that they may not have even regarded as questions before.

When decisions are reached through democratic means, some people will inevitably be disappointed with the results. But those whose views do not prevail at least know that they have had their say, and accordingly are—in the tradition of our political culture—reconciled to the result of a fair and honest debate.

While I find this a really moving argument, I also want to call bullshit. What makes the Ireland vote so moving is not only that people journeyed from all over to have their say, but because it was unusual to have rights extended via ballot.

Indeed, however heartened the proponents of same-sex marriage might be on this day, it is worth acknowledging what they have lost, and lost forever: the opportunity to win the true acceptance that comes from persuading their fellow citizens of the justice of their cause. And they lose this just when the winds of change were freshening at their backs.

But I don't need full acceptance from people. I need legal acceptance.


Kat - Jun 26, 2015 5:53:10 am PDT #29682 of 30000
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Sparky, I haven't read Scalia's yet. I really enjoy Roberts because even when he holds positions I disagree with, I like the force of his thinking.