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Numero Cinco ,'The Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco'


Natter 73: Chuck Norris only wishes he could Natter  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Kat - Jun 26, 2015 5:52:10 am PDT #29681 of 30000
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I mean, Roberts is more measured, but he also says that this ruling could be applied to polygamous marriages.

He does note, though, that the democratic process of debate/conversation/change were being interrupted with this decision.

Here and abroad, people are in the midst of a serious and thoughtful public debate on the issue of samesex marriage. They see voters carefully considering samesex marriage, casting ballots in favor or opposed, and sometimes changing their minds. They see political leaders similarly reexamining their positions, and either reversing course or explaining adherence to old convictions confirmed anew. They see governments and businesses modifying policies and practices with respect to same-sex couples, and participating actively in the civic discourse. They see countries overseas democratically accepting profound social change, or declining to do so. This deliberative process is making people take seriously questions that they may not have even regarded as questions before.

When decisions are reached through democratic means, some people will inevitably be disappointed with the results. But those whose views do not prevail at least know that they have had their say, and accordingly are—in the tradition of our political culture—reconciled to the result of a fair and honest debate.

While I find this a really moving argument, I also want to call bullshit. What makes the Ireland vote so moving is not only that people journeyed from all over to have their say, but because it was unusual to have rights extended via ballot.

Indeed, however heartened the proponents of same-sex marriage might be on this day, it is worth acknowledging what they have lost, and lost forever: the opportunity to win the true acceptance that comes from persuading their fellow citizens of the justice of their cause. And they lose this just when the winds of change were freshening at their backs.

But I don't need full acceptance from people. I need legal acceptance.


Kat - Jun 26, 2015 5:53:10 am PDT #29682 of 30000
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Sparky, I haven't read Scalia's yet. I really enjoy Roberts because even when he holds positions I disagree with, I like the force of his thinking.


billytea - Jun 26, 2015 5:53:32 am PDT #29683 of 30000
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

How much self-control do you think it took for Ginsberg not to write a separate opinion simply reading "Ha ha u mad"?


-t - Jun 26, 2015 5:53:55 am PDT #29684 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Yup. Legal acceptance often precedes true acceptance, at least in the US.


-t - Jun 26, 2015 5:54:51 am PDT #29685 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

How much self-control do you think it took for Ginsberg not to write a separate opinion simply reading "Ha ha u mad"?

I want this so bad now.


Steph L. - Jun 26, 2015 5:55:38 am PDT #29686 of 30000
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

How much self-control do you think it took for Ginsberg not to write a separate opinion simply reading "Ha ha u mad"?

Headcanon accepted.


Kat - Jun 26, 2015 5:58:04 am PDT #29687 of 30000
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

In reading Scalia's dissent, I just want to shake him.

Today’s decree says that my Ruler, and the Ruler of 320 million Americans coast-to-coast, is a majority of the nine lawyers on the Supreme Court.

Oh that wasn't true when the Supreme Court seated a President who wasn't elected in Bush v. Gore?


Steph L. - Jun 26, 2015 6:00:05 am PDT #29688 of 30000
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

Today’s decree says that my Ruler, and the Ruler of 320 million Americans coast-to-coast, is a majority of the nine lawyers on the Supreme Court.

Man, fuck that guy.


Kat - Jun 26, 2015 6:00:53 am PDT #29689 of 30000
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

More Scalia:

Judges are selected precisely for their skill as lawyers; whether they reflect the policy views of a particular constituency is not (or should not be) relevant.

Good thing he put that parenthetical in. Does he really think Thomas was selected for his skill as a lawyer and not his policy stances? Or that he was?


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 26, 2015 6:01:58 am PDT #29690 of 30000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Oh well, Scalia, if the American people can't live with the horror of gay marriage they can always pass a Constitutional Amendment to overturn the decision.

Oh wait, they can't, because only 13 states of the needed 38 have enough anti-gay sentiment to actually pass laws banning SSM. Too bad, so sad.