Woo, meara!
My coconut milk & chia seed breakfast failed to gel, so I had BK on the way in. And my phone was on my desk and not even completely out of juice, so today is better than it might be so far!
Congratulations to the class of 1999. You all proved more or less adequate.
Snyder ,'Chosen'
Natter 73: Chuck Norris only wishes he could Natter
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
-t - May 12, 2015 5:21:51 am PDT #26175 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
Burrell - May 12, 2015 5:59:01 am PDT #26176 of 30000
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!
Can I ask a fundamentalist theology question? What is eternal security of the believer? I mean, I can figure out what it means based on the words, but I don't know the theology behind it. Of course, my religious background comes almost entirely from my academic training, so heavy on St Augustine and Renaissance and Reformation scholars.
Matt the Bruins fan - May 12, 2015 6:05:43 am PDT #26177 of 30000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
From the way evangelical fundamentalists behave around here, it seems to mean that once you say you're Born Again you're saved and can be as judgmental, self-righteous, and downright nasty to anyone outside your church as you feel like without worrying about it counting as sinful.
Connie Neil - May 12, 2015 6:07:52 am PDT #26178 of 30000
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Really? I was always taught that just because you were Born Again didn't mean you could blow off living a Christlike life. You could be saved but you could throw away that gift.
edit: But I was generic Methodist, not fundamentalist.
Steph L. - May 12, 2015 6:13:52 am PDT #26179 of 30000
I look more rad than Lutheranism
What is eternal security of the believer? I mean, I can figure out what it means based on the words, but I don't know the theology behind it.
Well, kind of like what Matt said, but in theory, it has nothing to do with being a jerk on purpose. It just means t FAC mode engaged that people who consider themselves to be saved (accepting Christ as your savior, etc.) can't lose their salvation no matter what they do. Since humans are fallible as shit and will always do sinful stuff, it means salvation doesn't hinge on what you do; once you're saved, you're saved. Your sins are still sins; it doesn't make all your actions automatically "good." It just means that even though you might fuck up, you're still good. Hell is not in the cards.
Really? I was always taught that just because you were Born Again didn't mean you could blow off living a Christlike life. You could be saved but you could throw away that gift.
Some churches do teach that. That's -- I think (I used to know this stuff really well) a more Calvinist POV, that you can lose your salvation.
I think (though I'm not sure) that most Protestant churches teach that you can't lose your salvation once you're saved. t /FAC mode
Tom Scola - May 12, 2015 6:15:09 am PDT #26180 of 30000
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.
It looks like it's a Calvinist thing. If everything is already predetermined, once you're saved, you can't be unsaved. Never mind all of the backsliding that goes on in the fundamentalist community.
Steph L. - May 12, 2015 6:16:59 am PDT #26181 of 30000
I look more rad than Lutheranism
Oh, right! I got the Calvinist stuff backwards.
It's been a long time since I've even thought about that stuff. At least I remembered "Calvinist."
Toddson - May 12, 2015 6:22:06 am PDT #26182 of 30000
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"
Calvin has a lot to answer for. As does Hobbes.
Jesse - May 12, 2015 6:25:03 am PDT #26183 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
I think (though I'm not sure) that most Protestant churches teach that you can't lose your salvation once you're saved.
I don't know that that's my experience in mainline Protestant churches, although that may be because the kind of churches I've gone to don't so much get into "being saved" at all. So I don't know.
Hil R. - May 12, 2015 6:26:55 am PDT #26184 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l
The Elsie Dinsmore version of Protestantism also said that there was a limited window for being saved -- that, if you put it off for too long, then Jesus would just give up on you, and you wouldn't have another chance. I'd never heard that one anywhere else. (In the books, it led to a couple of misbehaving teenagers being bullied into saying "I accept Jesus into my heart" by their parents, who were worried about their eternal souls.)