I said I'm sorry. I've made mistakes, but fear was never one of them.

Lilah ,'Conviction (1)'


Natter 73: Chuck Norris only wishes he could Natter  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


-t - Mar 09, 2015 5:10:18 am PDT #21710 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

The clocks hanging on the walls here at the office have not sprung forward. It's disorienting. Dark drive in, but at least the moon was fullish. Three quarter, maybe?

I had a dream that the characters from Empire were on the Great British Bake-off.

That sounds great. I haven't even watched the Great British Bake-off, but I would totaly watch that dream.


tommyrot - Mar 09, 2015 5:17:40 am PDT #21711 of 30000
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I want to do a pseudo-documentrary about Scriveners--you know, how modern smart-phone technology is changing the job of the Scrivener, for example.

Like how there's an iOS app called "Prefernottogether" where instead of trekking across town to get on-site so you can do your Scriveneroring, you can get matched up with the app with someone who's closer. That person sends you a picture of the doc, which you can then copy by hand onto paper in the usual fashion.


Steph L. - Mar 09, 2015 5:20:46 am PDT #21712 of 30000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I bet there's an online club for Bartleby-the-Scriveners where they get together and discuss the Scrivenering they accomplish each day.

"Instead of making one note at the beginning of the document that they needed to change [blah] back to [foo], I added a note every single place [foo] was changed to [blah] in the document! I know that 50 notes will ensure a prompt response!"

(No, it is literally 50 notes telling me "In the field of [medical foo], we use the term [foo] instead of [blah]. Please keep [foo.]" FIFTY TIMES I HATE YOU SO HARD YOU SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE.)

(I wouldn't hate them so much if I didn't have a running list of at least 10 items where they object to our editing according to our style manual. In some instances, we let the whiny special snowflakes have their way, but in other instances, we *never* change [blah] to [foo], and have to explain that to the special snowflakes who have apparently never read an issue of the journal they want to be published in.)

(Haaaaaaaate.)


Steph L. - Mar 09, 2015 5:26:45 am PDT #21713 of 30000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Oooh, and someone on FB is taking my love of DST as a personal affront and snarking about how "sure, people who can work from home and start whenever they want must love it!"

1. I don't "start whenever." It is an actual job, you ass.

2. Fuck off.

3. I've loved DST even when I worked in an office.

4. See #2.

5. I'm not actually loving DST *at you.* This is not a personal attack; it's just my preference.

6. Please see #s 2 and 4.

7. PS Are you my difficult author?


flea - Mar 09, 2015 5:26:48 am PDT #21714 of 30000
information libertarian

It was a full moon last Thursday. (In the public library world, we note these; they seem to correspond with higher than usual levels of crazy.)

As I am going over a chapter manuscript that I wrote to incorporate the volume editor's notes, I am in a position of great ambivalence wrt Teppy's lovely editorial screeds. I mean, yes, style, but WHY MUST YOUR HOUSE STYLE BE SO FIDDLY AND HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO REMEMBER IT. But, then, thank you for noting the mistakes in my citations, especially when you pointed to the place I should actually be citing, saving me a trip to another library to consult a 900-page book. (This editor is not the press editor - she's an academic assembling the book. So all the press editor stuff will go to her. But still I am trying to format my citations according to house style!) (Did I mention that this is a chapter based on my dissertation which I abandoned in 2001? And every single time I deal with it there's some type of agony?)


Steph L. - Mar 09, 2015 5:31:43 am PDT #21715 of 30000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

WHY MUST YOUR HOUSE STYLE BE SO FIDDLY AND HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO REMEMBER IT.

Oh, believe me, I think our style is fiddly as hell and kind of ridiculous. We are NEVER allowed to say something like "diabetic patients"; it always has to be "patients with diabetes." I get that the general reasoning is to not identify the patient AS their disease, but let me tell you, it gets REALLY unwieldy when I have to change "COPD patients" to "patients with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease."

And I have a really hard time remembering all of our weird fiddly style points, partly because they change all the time. No joke -- we get about 3-5 emails a month telling us "We may no longer use [foo], but must use [blah]." Super annoying.


Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 09, 2015 5:34:58 am PDT #21716 of 30000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Happy to report I missed nothing at the office despite being out last Thursday and Friday thanks to our 20° angle skating rink of a parking lot. At least this icefall was considerate enough to come when work was absolutely quiet.


Jesse - Mar 09, 2015 5:41:39 am PDT #21717 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I am wearing short sleeves in the office (I took off my cardigan) and not a turtleneck, a dress AND a cardigan!

Woo hoo!

Steph, I had never thought about publishing like this, so I'm finding the back and forth really interesting. Like, if the journal would never print [blah], why is that even a negotiation? And I see your post about sometimes you do negotiate, but it feels like it could just be "take it or leave it" with a lot of these changes -- like, if they want to be published in your journal, they have to use [foo], but they don't have to be published in your journal!


flea - Mar 09, 2015 5:50:04 am PDT #21718 of 30000
information libertarian

In a good example of publishing issues, the guidelines for illustrations at the press this book is going to have specific recommendations for production of Figures from ArcGIS. Luckily I had the sense to contact the editor at the press directly to have her translate sample illustrations into their layout program, because following the posted guidelines didn't work at all, and after round 2 of testing she finally came up with, "oh yeah, the last time we worked with this program we did [foo]," so I did that for round 3 and that worked. (Now please change the official guidelines!)

Okay, back to the Late Middle Helladic and Early Late Helladic at Tsoungiza.


Steph L. - Mar 09, 2015 5:53:05 am PDT #21719 of 30000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Like, if the journal would never print [blah], why is that even a negotiation?

It's not a negotiation, but since the author went through and re-inserted [blah] 50 times, I really have to email the author to say "It is journal style," etc., because otherwise when they see their article online with [blah] rather than [foo] they will lose their minds. Some authors get VERY "Do you KNOW WHO I AM?!?" about shit like this.

And then some smaller stuff we let them change back because we just don't want to fight about it. (Which I don't agree with, because if we let some smaller stuff go through, then the next time we tell an author no, they'll do a search on our website and tell us triumphantly that [foo] has been used in 3 articles and therefore we demand to use [foo], too. Which has happened. They're so proud when they find those 3 exceptions out of the thousands of articles on our website.)