I really wish this government shutdown would end. I'm starting to freak a little.
Sometimes I miss having powers... Oh. Oh! I know what this is! This is peer pressure! Any second now you're gonna make me smoke tobacco and--and have drugs!
Anya ,'Showtime'
Natter 72: We Were Unprepared for This
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Allyson - Oct 04, 2013 1:22:10 pm PDT #7939 of 30000
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
tommyrot - Oct 04, 2013 1:47:02 pm PDT #7940 of 30000
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
Dunno about the shutdown, but apparently Boehner and other Republican leaders admit in private that they're not gonna make the US default on its debt.
Allyson - Oct 04, 2013 1:57:10 pm PDT #7941 of 30000
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
So that's two weeks we have to make it through. I think Caltech can carry us for that long.
le nubian - Oct 04, 2013 2:07:58 pm PDT #7942 of 30000
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
2 weeks from today, that is. Debt limit is 10/17.
It should start hitting some of the states next week I think.
Jesse - Oct 04, 2013 2:23:52 pm PDT #7943 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
Hey smonster or amyth or anyone, do you know an organization called Second Nature?
Typo Boy - Oct 04, 2013 2:24:15 pm PDT #7944 of 30000
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
Could end in a week if this motion to discharge can find 20 sane Republicans who are not complete cowards. [link]
So probably two weeks then.
le nubian - Oct 04, 2013 2:34:18 pm PDT #7945 of 30000
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
I don't want the government re-opened without an increase in the debt limit. I don't want to go through worse in 2 weeks.
Jessica - Oct 04, 2013 2:37:40 pm PDT #7946 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Feminist Hulk has a list of resources for people who need help if WIC runs out of money (and resources for people who have money to give) [link]
Typo Boy - Oct 04, 2013 2:48:17 pm PDT #7947 of 30000
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
If you beat them on the shutdown it then becomes easy to beat them on the debt ceiling. Use some of the absurd workarounds Obama objects to get around the absurd practice of authorizing running up bills then refusing to authorize paying them.
Platinum coin. (Completely legal. And if the Feds follow through on their refusal to accept the coin, they are violating the law and the executive can use its power to force them to accept it.) If Obama is too gutless for that confrontation:
The Treasury (which is under direct orders of the President) could issue Consols. Consols are bonds which pay interest indefinitely and don't require the government to every repay principle. Interest does not count under the debt ceiling, so the Treasury could issue as many Consols as they want without violating the ceiling. No constitutional issue. The Treasury already has statuatory authority to issue any bonds not in violation of any law.
I don't know why Obama refuses to use these. Maybe he will if he has to, but thinks it would be better to make the Republicans back down if can. Or maybe he hopes to finally get the Social Security cutting "Grand Bargain" the Republicans turned out previously cause even thought it would hurt poor people it would not hurt them enough. I want to think better of him and that it is the first rather than the second. But there is absolutely no reason to let the Republicans use the debt ceiling as leverage for anything.
msbelle - Oct 04, 2013 2:54:13 pm PDT #7948 of 30000
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb
this week.
bourbon tea.