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Natter 72: We Were Unprepared for This  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Amy - Sep 30, 2013 3:24:06 pm PDT #7403 of 30000
Because books.

Can he be working full-time while studying for his PhD? Like, in a lab or something?

Is it unrealistic to have him already PhD'd at 33 or 34 and working as an instructor? And if he is doing that, how come he can't be tenure track?

Signed,

Completely clueless about science academia, but can't write another carpenter or photographer


Kat - Sep 30, 2013 3:24:19 pm PDT #7404 of 30000
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Plei! I was totally thinking of you this morning (but I'm too forgetful to think of the context). I think it was to wonder how you and your family were doing. It was related to a Prius and how you said you would like a Prius if only it fit a jogging stroller. God. How long ago was that?!


flea - Sep 30, 2013 3:28:12 pm PDT #7405 of 30000
information libertarian

The academic job market is really tough right now, so lots of people are in Instructor positions, not tenure-track. They generally pay enough to live on. (Adjuncting doesn't - an instructor teaches full-time. An adjunct is paid on a per-class basis, generally poorly.)

A full-time PhD student in the sciences is generally paid, although not much. As a PhD student in engineering in 2002-2007, mr. flea made $20K a year. The pay is "earned" by lab work, project work, and sometimes teaching or TAing, etc. for the professor supervising the PhD. They take classes the first couple of years.


Amy - Sep 30, 2013 3:29:58 pm PDT #7406 of 30000
Because books.

Thanks, ma'am. I'll see what works best for the story.


flea - Sep 30, 2013 3:33:16 pm PDT #7407 of 30000
information libertarian

Here's some base info on faculty salaries at various levels, using UGA as an example. UGA is a public PhD granting school, so its salaries will be higher than a smaller/non-PhD granting college, but not as high as an Ivy or schmancy private college. [link]


le nubian - Sep 30, 2013 3:33:27 pm PDT #7408 of 30000
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Amy,

the person could be a post-doc (which is typical for someone in Chemistry). If the person started right out of college (the phd program), then they would have a phd in hand by around age 28. Some people don't start right out, but some do. Especially in the sciences.

34 years old they might be on the tail end of the first postdoc position and starting a 2nd (which is not uncommon). A lot of postdocs work in tenured faculty members' labs full-time. Occasionally they may teach, but a lot of science postdocs do not teach.

There are some who do work in a lab while working on a phd, but more typically you would have a postdoc who has finished and doing working in the lab fulltime.


Amy - Sep 30, 2013 3:37:11 pm PDT #7409 of 30000
Because books.

Oh, that's helpful! Thanks to everybody.

The ridiculous part is, the amount of time the character will actually be at work is minimal, if at all, but I really couldn't write another writer or photographer or chef.


flea - Sep 30, 2013 3:39:23 pm PDT #7410 of 30000
information libertarian

Better not make him tenure-track faculty, then. The amount of time they spend at work is astonishing! Seriously, 70-80 hour weeks.


Amy - Sep 30, 2013 3:41:04 pm PDT #7411 of 30000
Because books.

Oh, good to know.


amych - Sep 30, 2013 3:44:07 pm PDT #7412 of 30000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Can he be working full-time while studying for his PhD? Like, in a lab or something?

This is what most PhD students and recent PhD's (a.k.a. post-docs) in science do.

Is it unrealistic to have him already PhD'd at 33 or 34 and working as an instructor?

Average time-to-degree in science fields is around 7 years, so finishing up at around 30 is right on target.

The instructor part is actually a bit less likely. The typical science career path goes Work in a lab as a grad student > Work in a lab for several more years after finishing degree > Get a tenure-track job where you get to run your own lab OR leave academia to work in industry.

The economics and career requirements in science are very heavily weighted towards research and publishing. People who teach as a main focus have often either failed to get a job with a lab attached, or have opted out for one reason or another.

And if he is doing that, how come he can't be tenure track?

Instructor is just a job title that means "not tenure track". In the humanities, it also sometimes means "on food stamps" but we always heard that science pays at least a little better ;)