Can't even shout, Can't even cry. The Gentlemen are coming by. Looking in windows, knocking on doors. They need to take seven, and they might take yours. Can't call to mom, can't say a word. You're gonna die screaming but you won't be heard.

Dream Girl ,'Bring On The Night'


Natter 72: We Were Unprepared for This  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


le nubian - Jul 24, 2013 8:35:50 am PDT #217 of 30000
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

So, Beau had an appointment at the dentist and I want to know what you all think:

We have been going to the dentist for almost a year. Beau started there in September and I in December. I have had a few treatments there: cleaning, light fillings on the sides of 2-3 teeth and a crown (in May). Beau needs a crown and has needed one since September, but they are waiting for the tooth to drop (?).

When he was in the dental chair, he was talked to at least 5 times about the cost of the crown procedure (three times by the assistant and two more times by the dentist himself). He has to sign a form saying he understood the cost.

I did not have this level of discussion with the staff at ALL back in May. I think it seems rather excessive to have such a discussion, but I'm wondering what might be behind it:

a) Beau's theory is that the practice probably got some notice by the CA insurance or dental commission about properly informing patients of fees before procedures. Beau thinks this might be related to patient complaints - but I see no evidence of that based on limited yelp, facebook, and related info.

b) 5x for the price discussion seems really over the top. Their treatment of me and costs has been rather opaque in the 6 months I have been there. So this is a 180 in terms of my experience.

Any explanation for this that you experienced individuals can cook up?


Tom Scola - Jul 24, 2013 8:36:16 am PDT #218 of 30000
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[link]

After the American Civil War, both Stanton and Anthony broke with their abolitionist backgrounds and lobbied strongly against ratification of the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments to the US Constitution, which granted African American men the right to vote... Eventually, Stanton's oppositional rhetoric took on racial overtones.


Hil R. - Jul 24, 2013 8:37:25 am PDT #219 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I'm reading this [link] and I'm confused by this Stanton lady. It sounds like she argued both for and against civil rights causes, but by virtue of having lobbied for any, puts herself ahead of many of her peers (depression of low bar). How destructive were her arguments against?

The only thing I know is that she argued against giving black men the right to vote, on the grounds that the vote shouldn't be extended to any other group before it was extended to women. She was on the losing side of that one, but I don't know how much influence her opinions had.


Jesse - Jul 24, 2013 8:43:13 am PDT #220 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

To white land-owning women, yeah?


SuziQ - Jul 24, 2013 8:46:59 am PDT #221 of 30000
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

le nub, I'm not in CA, so I don't know if there is a law change. I just know that at my dentist, if they discover something more needs to be done than what I came in for, I get informed, I get to review the related costs, and then I have to sign off on my agreement before they start that work.

Going through that process 5 times? A bit excessive unless little things changed between each notice.


Hil R. - Jul 24, 2013 8:47:45 am PDT #222 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

To white land-owning women, yeah?

White women, at any rate. Preferably educated ones. I think the land-owning thing was a separate issue, since in a bunch of states, women weren't allowed to own land under most circumstances. (I think that they could inherit it from a man, but couldn't buy it themselves, or something like that.)


Jesse - Jul 24, 2013 8:48:15 am PDT #223 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Oh yeah, le n, that sounds excessive, but better than the no-info way of things?


Amy - Jul 24, 2013 8:48:42 am PDT #224 of 30000
Because books.

(I think that they could inherit it from a man, but couldn't buy it themselves, or something like that.)

That sounds right, I think.


§ ita § - Jul 24, 2013 8:55:03 am PDT #225 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I read that before I asked, Tom. But after that, the article notes she also supported interracial marriage, sent congrats to Douglass against the advice of Anthony, etc. She seemed to be really offensive about jockeying for position (but also claimed black men already had the vote), which is why I wonder what the impact was, because the stuff she was pro put her ahead of the pack--but if she damaged the lives of black people then it makes more sense.

There are black women ditching "official" feminist movements because they can't get what Stanton apparently took for granted:

Speaking on behalf of black women, she stated that not allowing them to vote condemned African American freedwomen "to a triple bondage that man never knows," that of slavery, gender, and race.

That's why I ask.


Jesse - Jul 24, 2013 8:55:18 am PDT #226 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

ISTG. I had six hours to do stuff today including write a cover letter, and have used up five of them doing nothing! This is why I'm no good at staycation -- I am way too good at procrastinating.