Take jobs as they come -- and we'll never be under the heel of nobody ever again. No matter how long the arm of the Alliance might get, we'll just get ourselves a little further.

Mal ,'Out Of Gas'


Natter 72: We Were Unprepared for This  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


meara - Feb 25, 2014 5:18:57 pm PST #20897 of 30000

ION, we had a fire drill at the office I'm working at today, and I stood outside downwind of a few smokers for ten minutes. And the smell got into my sweater, and four hours later I feel like I'm in a bar. It's amazing how sensitized I've become over the years, as the public acceptance of smoking has declined.

Yeah, I remember a time when I'd get home from the bar smelling of smoke. I don't miss that time at all, and the few times I'm in a place (Virginia!!) when people can smoke it throws me.

I am having pho for dinner. I do nt want to be sick! I just got over being sick!!

Baked egg in avocado does not sound bad in theory but I feel like I'd have to scoop the avocado pretty well for the ratio to not be all kinda of off.


Amy - Feb 25, 2014 5:19:11 pm PST #20898 of 30000
Because books.

You'd like the restaurant, too, Jessica -- they have buffalo burgers and a local cheese board and wild game chili and wild boar chops, craft beer, etc. It was a lot of fun, and very delicious.


meara - Feb 25, 2014 5:21:33 pm PST #20899 of 30000

There are some forms and stages of cancers that I wouldn’t aggressively treat. And I’ve seen some best case scenarios. But if my quality of life is going to go seriously down for maybe two more months of life, I don’t want that. I want to live and I want the chance at a relatively healthy life but that’s not always an option. And “cancer” is an easy word for an epically varied disease.

I feel like that's a difference from "I want to fight this cancer with herbs!" And then being surprised and disappointed if it doesn't work.


Atropa - Feb 25, 2014 5:31:38 pm PST #20900 of 30000
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

I may have to make that baked avocado and egg thing soon. Like, tomorrow for lunch.


Cass - Feb 25, 2014 5:37:37 pm PST #20901 of 30000
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

I feel like that's a difference from "I want to fight this cancer with herbs!" And then being surprised and disappointed if it doesn't work.

Oh, hugely. If you are fighting, use science. Science can include herbs and state of mind but with actual science involved.


Burrell - Feb 25, 2014 5:41:45 pm PST #20902 of 30000
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

There are some forms and stages of cancer I wouldn't aggressively treat either, but for the most part I'm with Ginger.


Ginger - Feb 25, 2014 6:09:13 pm PST #20903 of 30000
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

I was mainly reacting to the idea of fighting breast cancer with "natural" means rather than "toxic" science. Not treating certain slow-moving cancers can be a reasonable medical decision, but I think it should be a medical decision, not a rejection of science.


Steph L. - Feb 25, 2014 6:16:50 pm PST #20904 of 30000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Steph, baked egg in avocado, with bacon

Sweet lord. I'm making that soon.


Cass - Feb 25, 2014 6:28:59 pm PST #20905 of 30000
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

but I think it should be a medical decision, not a rejection of science.

I think it absolutely needs to be a medical choice. Or a personal choice to ignore medicine ignore what it can do for you (a lot!).

But there are times when, with full knowledge, I would choose not to treat. And it's an awful thing to consider.

But it can be done in a knowledgable way, I think. Often isn't. But I think it can be.


Connie Neil - Feb 25, 2014 6:45:23 pm PST #20906 of 30000
brillig

Hubby's been blithely saying "It's all good, life is good," and I've been snapping, "No, it's not!" Today he realized why.

His pain is gone.

After the second round of chemo, all the pain that has been swamping his body from every joint and muscle has been reduced to the part of his spine that is currently degenerating and the major tumor under his pancreas. And to him, that is nothing.

He was sitting cross-legged in bed. He hasn't been able to do that in over a decade because of pain.

He saw his pain doc today. Everyone was going "what the hell?" because on the "how bad is your pain today?" chart, he put 1. He's normally at 7-8.

His pain doc is agog. He doesn't normally deal with people in active chemotherapy, he had no idea this was possible. The cancer docs don't track long-term pain. It looks like some component of the DHAP chemo that crosses the brain barrier rebooted his pain centers, disconnecting the memory of all the old injuries, leaving only the active problems.

So the pain doc is going to get read in on how the pain is reacting to the chemo. And hoping this could be a permanent cure to Hubby's pain.