Jayne: What're you gonna tell the others? Mal: About what? Jayne: About why I'm dead. Mal: Hadn't thought about it. Jayne: Make something up. Don't tell 'em what I did.

'Ariel'


Natter 72: We Were Unprepared for This  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Ginger - Feb 25, 2014 6:09:13 pm PST #20903 of 30000
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

I was mainly reacting to the idea of fighting breast cancer with "natural" means rather than "toxic" science. Not treating certain slow-moving cancers can be a reasonable medical decision, but I think it should be a medical decision, not a rejection of science.


Steph L. - Feb 25, 2014 6:16:50 pm PST #20904 of 30000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Steph, baked egg in avocado, with bacon

Sweet lord. I'm making that soon.


Cass - Feb 25, 2014 6:28:59 pm PST #20905 of 30000
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

but I think it should be a medical decision, not a rejection of science.

I think it absolutely needs to be a medical choice. Or a personal choice to ignore medicine ignore what it can do for you (a lot!).

But there are times when, with full knowledge, I would choose not to treat. And it's an awful thing to consider.

But it can be done in a knowledgable way, I think. Often isn't. But I think it can be.


Connie Neil - Feb 25, 2014 6:45:23 pm PST #20906 of 30000
brillig

Hubby's been blithely saying "It's all good, life is good," and I've been snapping, "No, it's not!" Today he realized why.

His pain is gone.

After the second round of chemo, all the pain that has been swamping his body from every joint and muscle has been reduced to the part of his spine that is currently degenerating and the major tumor under his pancreas. And to him, that is nothing.

He was sitting cross-legged in bed. He hasn't been able to do that in over a decade because of pain.

He saw his pain doc today. Everyone was going "what the hell?" because on the "how bad is your pain today?" chart, he put 1. He's normally at 7-8.

His pain doc is agog. He doesn't normally deal with people in active chemotherapy, he had no idea this was possible. The cancer docs don't track long-term pain. It looks like some component of the DHAP chemo that crosses the brain barrier rebooted his pain centers, disconnecting the memory of all the old injuries, leaving only the active problems.

So the pain doc is going to get read in on how the pain is reacting to the chemo. And hoping this could be a permanent cure to Hubby's pain.


DavidS - Feb 25, 2014 6:48:06 pm PST #20907 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

That's amazing, Connie. A strange blessing in the middle of all this.


sarameg - Feb 25, 2014 6:58:08 pm PST #20908 of 30000

My uncle went from a returning from a robust trip to visit his grandsons to a ride up his favorite CO peaks to "huh, don't feel so good, cold?" to a potential pneumonia diag at the local hospital and put on a vent to ambulanced to Denver where they discovered aggressive cancer to home to hospice to die within 10 days. He never knew he had cancer, they chose not to tell him. It wouldn't have made a difference. There was some talk of treatment, but nothing that would have bought him the same week before. It was brutal for the family, but the kindest for him.

And then there's my cousin who got the non-hodgkin's lymph diag right around the time my uncle died. (Shockingly, he didn't tell us right away... bonus fuck you to ACA opponents: he ignored the signs something was untoward for a couple months because he wasn't vested to have health insurance yet. Makes me scream. ) His particular strain of follicular lymphoma is not technically curable, but it is treatable with a good quality and quantity of life.

So many paths.


brenda m - Feb 25, 2014 7:00:41 pm PST #20909 of 30000
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Wow, Connie.


sarameg - Feb 25, 2014 7:01:08 pm PST #20910 of 30000

Connie, that's just....wow. Someone oughta make him their patient zero in their research.


Burrell - Feb 25, 2014 7:16:41 pm PST #20911 of 30000
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

That's amazing Connie.


Consuela - Feb 25, 2014 8:06:45 pm PST #20912 of 30000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Connie, that's amazing. And I'm sure welcomed, regardless of the mechanism.

I'm watching Frontline right now, and it's about the horrifying sexual scandals inside the highest levels of the Catholic Church. Many of which I'd heard of, but so much more powerful to see the faces of the men and women making these accusations.

Yikes. It's awful, and heartbreaking.