Damn it! You know what? I'm sick of this crap. I'm sick of being the guy who eats insects and gets the funny syphilis. As of this moment, it's over. I'm finished being everybody's butt monkey!

Xander ,'Lessons'


Natter 72: We Were Unprepared for This  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jesse - Nov 18, 2013 5:01:04 pm PST #12374 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

It really annoys me that she refers to herself and other people refer to her as a "male model." She is a woman modelling menswear.


§ ita § - Nov 18, 2013 5:08:12 pm PST #12375 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't think modelling menswear is sufficient, but male model is incorrect. Which is why my initial post was so awkward with the masculinely in it--she's not modelling menswear for women's bodies, she's modelling it for men. Just not as a man.


Jesse - Nov 18, 2013 5:21:33 pm PST #12376 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I think menswear model is sufficient, myself.


§ ita § - Nov 18, 2013 5:34:16 pm PST #12377 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think menswear model is sufficient, myself.

I subscribe entirely to feminine menswear, and I think the difference is material. Her market is your boyfriend, not you.

eta: and there have been plenty of women wearing menswear before whose audience was you


Amy - Nov 18, 2013 5:44:02 pm PST #12378 of 30000
Because books.

Speaking of menswear, I want a pair of black penny loafers with more than a trace of heel that are more men's style than women's, and wow, are they hard to find.


§ ita § - Nov 18, 2013 5:54:36 pm PST #12379 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I am so convinced I can see Mrs Florrick's fake hair now...I can't even see Beyonce's weave.


-t - Nov 18, 2013 5:55:45 pm PST #12380 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Amy: [link]


Jesse - Nov 18, 2013 5:58:14 pm PST #12381 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I subscribe entirely to feminine menswear, and I think the difference is material. Her market is your boyfriend, not you.

Not in Fashion, though. There's no such thing as a woman wearing a men's suit marketed to women. Karlie Kloss in a pantsuit is wearing a very different pantsuit. Anyway, she's obviously modeling in the men's section, but is just as obviously not male.


Jesse - Nov 18, 2013 6:02:00 pm PST #12382 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

FWIW, Wikipedia says that Andrej Pejic prefers female pronouns, so she's not a man modelling womenswear (which is what I had thought before) [link]


Jesse - Nov 18, 2013 6:10:25 pm PST #12383 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

My final thought before going to bed (late!): There are women in the tenor section of my chorus, so the conductor does not say "The men sing X," he says, "The tenors and basses sing X." Just because they are in a typically men's section does not make them male.