I tell you I have this theory. It goes where, you're the one who's not my sister. Cuz mom adopted you from a shoe box full of baby howler monkeys, and never told you cuz it could hurt your delicate baby feelings.

Dawn ,'Selfless'


Natter 72: We Were Unprepared for This  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Atropa - Nov 18, 2013 2:21:39 pm PST #12366 of 30000
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

... and now I am stuck in the vintage section of Etsy, browsing wide-brimmed black hats.


Amy - Nov 18, 2013 2:28:46 pm PST #12367 of 30000
Because books.

Ooh, I always forget about vintage Etsy.

See also: my lack of motivation to do anything at all productive today.


§ ita § - Nov 18, 2013 2:29:03 pm PST #12368 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

And I'm stuck explaining the degree of profanity of "bloody" and "blood" in the Empire and its remnants. When did my day degrade to this level? I suspect it's because my cubemate has been in the office 12 hours now. He gets to experience sunrise and sunset from the office. Good thing he's got an ocean view.


shrift - Nov 18, 2013 2:38:57 pm PST #12369 of 30000
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

My inbox blew up while I was at the conference today, and I've been scheduled in a block of meetings from 11am to 1:30pm tomorrow. I'm barely functional on regular doses of cold meds, so I may be taking meetings from the couch.


billytea - Nov 18, 2013 2:49:11 pm PST #12370 of 30000
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Open the kimono makes me hurl. Ew. Sexist AND racist at the same time, whee intersectionality?

My boss keeps using the phrase "lift up their skirts" when referrring to due diligence. I... suppose I should be grateful he left the racism out of it?


§ ita § - Nov 18, 2013 2:51:01 pm PST #12371 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Huh. This female model is modelling menswear masculinely, and one critic told her to stop playacting as trans. Isn't she, perhaps, playacting as male? Or, perhaps, she is dressing (as she says) how she wants to? And if she makes more money for it (big fish, small pond) does that make it bad?

Obviously, I'm all "fuck the gender binary when and if you want to." I really think it's a bit much to accuse her negatively unless you're turning her words against her. You have to have a pretty insider position to tell "playing trans" from "playing male". I'd be surprised if a Slate writer has it.


le nubian - Nov 18, 2013 4:51:28 pm PST #12372 of 30000
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Thing is: I think she started this because she was getting too old to model women's wear. So that adds a layer of complexity on to this.


§ ita § - Nov 18, 2013 4:55:15 pm PST #12373 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Which I think is perfectly fine! Why shouldn't she be able to model menswear? The importance of gender to some people doesn't have to extend to or apply in the same way to other people, and she isn't saying or doing anything about anyone else's life, is she?

I remember some criticism of one of the male models that was modeling womenswear, but clearly I have no idea if the same people object. I don't think it was the same reason at the most specific level, but there was a degree of "don't make light of the gender binary, this is life or death to some people" which I think is encroaching on their lack of gender giving a big enough fuck.


Jesse - Nov 18, 2013 5:01:04 pm PST #12374 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

It really annoys me that she refers to herself and other people refer to her as a "male model." She is a woman modelling menswear.


§ ita § - Nov 18, 2013 5:08:12 pm PST #12375 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't think modelling menswear is sufficient, but male model is incorrect. Which is why my initial post was so awkward with the masculinely in it--she's not modelling menswear for women's bodies, she's modelling it for men. Just not as a man.