Jeez, don't get all Movie of the Week. I was just too cheap to buy you a real present.

Dawn ,'The Killer In Me'


Spike's Bitches 48: I Say, We Go Out There, and Kick a Little Demon Ass.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Beverly - Aug 25, 2013 10:50:20 am PDT #3772 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

I completely understand, bonny. I confronted a littering driver--with my kids in the car. And then had to caution them *not* to follow my example, but to find other ways to use that anger productively.

And then we picked up litter at a local park. Their opinion was, it was more fun to yell at litterers than to have to work cleaning up after them.


Calli - Aug 25, 2013 11:06:52 am PDT #3773 of 30002
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

Job hunters! Copperbadge, of fanfic and tumblr fame, recently posted a systematic approach to job hunting. I thought it looked super useful. [link]


beekaytee - Aug 25, 2013 11:10:15 am PDT #3774 of 30002
Compassionately intolerant

And then we picked up litter at a local park. Their opinion was, it was more fun to yell at litterers than to have to work cleaning up after them.

Oh so true, though one precipitates a tangible result while the other is often just wasted air.

Sigh.


Zenkitty - Aug 25, 2013 12:33:37 pm PDT #3775 of 30002
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

I'm also a person who always wants to say yes. Whenever someone mentions a problem, my kneejerk reaction is how can I fix it. It's so hard to bite my tongue and not offer my help. It almost never goes well. Some people are surprised and even suspicious of someone offering to help. And so so many people take advantage. Once I'm doing X for them, it's easy for them to ask me for Y and just assume that of course I'll do Z... Now I just assume that anything I do will take longer than I expected, involve more hassle and inconvenience than I planned for, and possibly cost me money. If I'm not willing to take the chance of that with this person, then I don't do it.


Connie Neil - Aug 25, 2013 12:43:10 pm PDT #3776 of 30002
brillig

I hate asking for help because I figure I'm imposing on people.


omnis_audis - Aug 25, 2013 1:31:37 pm PDT #3777 of 30002
omnis, pursue. That's an order from a shy woman who can use M-16. - Shir

I hate asking for help because I figure I'm imposing on people.

I know this feeling, all too well.


Vortex - Aug 25, 2013 1:35:00 pm PDT #3778 of 30002
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Imagine my shock when she said, "You don't cry enough." Meaning, my self-sufficient, 'I can handle anything' persona makes it easier for people to take advantage of me.

That's true. Because I "make it work", sometimes people don't make the effort to have their shit together when I'm dealing with them. And I don't just mean my mom :)


WindSparrow - Aug 25, 2013 1:47:45 pm PDT #3779 of 30002
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

I don't need to be a helper for the prestige (or whatever) that comes from being that kind of person. I don't really even know how to explain it. It's like a physical requirement of living.

When I was in the hospital the other year, we would sit down to meals as a group. Even there I found myself helping other patients open jello and yogurt containers, helping them during other group activities. I could not turn it off.

It's funny, there is a whole different vibe helping someone you know very well can never help you in return, than helping someone who is capable of returning a favor. Then too, I have also learned to discern better than I used to when someone is trying to get me to do for them something they should be doing for themselves.


beekaytee - Aug 25, 2013 4:06:33 pm PDT #3780 of 30002
Compassionately intolerant

Some people are surprised and even suspicious of someone offering to help.

And so so many people take advantage. Once I'm doing X for them, it's easy for them to ask me for Y and just assume that of course I'll do Z...

Both of these never fail to floor me.

That's true. Because I "make it work", sometimes people don't make the effort to have their shit together when I'm dealing with them. And I don't just mean my mom :)

omg, this too. If some people _can_ rely on me, they will _expect_ to rely on me and often in childish and resentful ways.

The majority of the people I have let go over the last few years.

I found myself helping other patients open jello and yogurt containers, helping them during other group activities. I could not turn it off.

Yep. I also help other people win games, totally unconsciously. It isn't that I am not competitive or ambitious, but I don't see anything wrong with collective success!

It's funny, there is a whole different vibe helping someone you know very well can never help you in return, than helping someone who is capable of returning a favor.

I have total respect for the 'teach a man to fish' philosophy...as long as it is supportive, if not loving. But, yeah. I know greater joy helping strangers on the street than I sometimes do with people I know well.


Steph L. - Aug 25, 2013 5:20:11 pm PDT #3781 of 30002
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Job hunters! Copperbadge, of fanfic and tumblr fame, recently posted a systematic approach to job hunting. I thought it looked super useful.

Link opened in new tab! For tomorrow, because I am falling over tired after camping.

bonny, I think recognizing emotional/interpersonal patterns that you need to change is tremendous. I really wonder how many people are self-aware enough to recognize when they're stuck in a harmful pattern.

You will ALWAYS be a helper and give SO generously of yourself. I have no doubt of that. And as you come to recognize the situations that would be unhealthy for you, you're going to end up conserving your own energies, which you can turn around and continue to share.

And if it helps (I don't know if it will, but it's a thought that occurred to me), if you feel guilty about saying No to the people who are thoughtless emotional vampires -- those people will ALWAYS manage to find someone to help them. Count on it. As surely as you were born to help others, emotional vampires are wired to get their needs met, one way or another. But it doesn't have to be you any more.