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Spike's Bitches 48: I Say, We Go Out There, and Kick a Little Demon Ass.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


beekaytee - Aug 15, 2013 6:09:47 am PDT #3272 of 30002
Compassionately intolerant

Thanks, everyone.

My business partner came this morning and took me to breakfast so that I could take my prescriptions without having to cook. I feel better.

le nubian, you said what _I_ would say if it were happening to someone else. If Cagney, god forbid, ever injured someone, or destroyed property, or whatever, I'd do whatever was necessary to fix it.

The thing that truly rankles is that I leash trained this woman's previous dog. I have worked with her other dog, who is dramatically dog aggressive and have been nothing but appreciative of the efforts she makes to care for the many, many creatures in her life. And, honestly, she is an angel for the creatures. I've always loved that about her.

But, in this instance, her first assumption is that I did something wrong. It just doesn't compute. I was totally calm about this whole deal...actually, much calmer than even _I_ could believe...and never once said a bad word about either her, or the dog. Thus the, 'you are such a good sport' comment.

In chatting with my friend this morning, I think I'm seeing a pattern of people in my life, for whom I've been super helpful or really 'there for them', who take that as some sort of sign that I can be walked on.

I don't get it, but I'm certainly seeing it.

Not sure what to do about it, but G and I both agreed that the answer is NOT to suddenly stop caring about others.

It's just...the former friend and I have been here for each other for a dozen years. It just doesn't make sense.

Pix, thank you so much for asking about finances. Right this minute, despite staggering debt, I'm holding my own. That might not last, but I'm not in immediate danger.

Bless all our hearts. I can't even express how grateful I am for your presence, your advice, your humor and, to be honest, your indignation. It all helps so much.


smonster - Aug 15, 2013 6:21:15 am PDT #3273 of 30002
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

In chatting with my friend this morning, I think I'm seeing a pattern of people in my life, for whom I've been super helpful or really 'there for them', who take that as some sort of sign that I can be walked on.

I don't get it, but I'm certainly seeing it.

Not sure what to do about it, but G and I both agreed that the answer is NOT to suddenly stop caring about others.

It does seem to be a pattern in your life, and I certainly don't have any answers or particular insight. Just sending you love right now, and please let us know if there's anything we can do. Ask for what you need, girl. You won't always get it but the odds are certainly better than if you don't ask.


beth b - Aug 15, 2013 6:22:03 am PDT #3274 of 30002
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

she's blaming you? Is she aware that if it had been a stranger that the possiblility of her dog being put down is high? ( it takes two attacks around here - and a bite that doesn't break skin counts )

Of course , you will get ips and scratches -- it is part of you work.

I am glad yo are seeing a pattern, because I see it too. And you're right, the solution is not to stop caring, but to start seeing. Maybe the sign is in how they react t generosity? I don't know.

I hope you are feeling a little better today


Aims - Aug 15, 2013 6:24:10 am PDT #3275 of 30002
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Everything everyone has said goes for me, too. Hopefully former friend can see how her behavior is incorrect and checks herself.

And echoing what smonster said - ask. We will do anything we can to help the situation. From the practical (like Pix's offer of financial help) to the pointless-but-can-make-you-laugh-at-the-image (like a smiting from me! I haven't smote anyone in quite awhile! I can smote for you, if you'd like!)!!


amych - Aug 15, 2013 6:27:02 am PDT #3276 of 30002
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

the answer is NOT to suddenly stop caring about others.

No, of course it's not -- and furthermore, I don't think I can ever imagine you NOT caring. It's too fundamental to who you are. But I agree that it's a pattern, and I wonder if part of it comes from equating "caring" with being there for, well, anything. Which isn't necessary or even really caring. It's absolutely a pattern you know how to recognize in dogs and owners, but it's worth applying to people relationships too. Your boundaries are sacred, and they just need a little shoring up right now.

(And I'll totally step off the armchair advice-giving now. It's too easy a way to stomp right over someone else's boundaries, for one thing.)


Steph L. - Aug 15, 2013 6:27:09 am PDT #3277 of 30002
I look more rad than Lutheranism

But, in this instance, her first assumption is that I did something wrong.

Legally, it's her dog, and therefore her responsibility.

Morally, if you *had* been negligent in some way, I totally understand that you would shoulder the ER expense. But there is NO WAY in which you were negligent in this situation.

Her dog. Bit you, repeatedly, while you were trying to keep it SAFE from running in the street. HER dog. She needs to pay your ER bill.


smonster - Aug 15, 2013 6:27:58 am PDT #3278 of 30002
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

Is she aware that if it had been a stranger that the possiblility of her dog being put down is high?

That is a fucking excellent point.


Maria - Aug 15, 2013 6:28:40 am PDT #3279 of 30002
Not so nice is that I'm about to ruin a Friday morning for a bunch of people because of a series of unfortunate events and an upset foreign government. - shrift

Oh bonny, I'm sorry. Please let me know if there's anything that I can do. I can be fearsome when properly motivated.

smonster, I hope the day gets better for you.


Kate P. - Aug 15, 2013 6:29:55 am PDT #3280 of 30002
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

bonny, I am speechless, but I think smonster has the right of it:

She is telling herself a story wherein she is not at fault. her financial stressors are likely part of the unconscious impetus for that story*, but that doesn't really matter.

I'm sure she wants to believe that she bears no responsibility in this matter, and perhaps the fact that she wasn't there plays into that as well. But when you own an animal, you take responsibility not only for their needs, but also for their actions, as much as possible. She is the owner, and her dog badly injured you while you were trying to keep him safe. The LEAST she should do is take responsibility for your medical bills, if she can't be arsed to care about anything else.

Man, I'm just imagining a situation in which one of my cats scratched and bit the hell out of someone. I would be falling all over myself to apologize, and for damn sure I would pay for any medical bills incurred as a result. No question. Sheesh.

(OK, I guess I wasn't speechless after all...)

We're all carrying a debt like this and I'm certainly not clearing mine with what I'm chipping in... but maybe its a debt we never "clear". Maybe it's an honor to carry it. Maybe it's a trust. Maybe you get to pay it back forever as much as you can.

I love this, and I believe it strongly. Very well said, Trudy.


§ ita § - Aug 15, 2013 6:33:01 am PDT #3281 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Is she aware that if it had been a stranger that the possiblility of her dog being put down is high?

Not just a stranger--a less dog-sensitive person than bonny, period. Hell, is she confident that her dog will only repeatedly bite adults? On the arms?

Awful as it is, bonny's the *best* person in the world for her dog to bite, because she's going to think of the dog first the whole way through, and put the dog's safety and wellbeing ahead of her own. Many many people, no doubt also some of her friends, will not (and some could not, if children are involved) make that same call.

She should be throwing money at bonny's treatment and recuperation in gratitude for still having her pet.

Jesus.