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Spike's Bitches 48: I Say, We Go Out There, and Kick a Little Demon Ass.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


WindSparrow - Mar 02, 2015 3:35:31 am PST #17519 of 30002
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

I've been hearing that younger, newer vets are actually being taught about the real nutrition needs of animals. I have not yet experienced that as all the vets at my local clinic are my age or older and I am 100% certain that I know more about feline nutritional needs than they do. In other words, when they tell me something that is opposite of what I believe, I generally stick to my guns and feed my cats what I think best. One example is those ridiculous dental chews they send home with the cats after dental cleanings. One of the ingredients is corn syrup. No. Just no. Here's a hint: If a dentist tells you, "You don't seem to be doing a good enough job brushing you teeth in between visits, so what I want you to do is chew on some licorice," - find a new dentist. On the other hand, a friend from college who just got a couple of kittens after spending the last 7 years catless reported to me that the nutrition advice she got from her shiny new vet was startlingly different from what she was used to hearing. It was also much more in line with what I know. When she asked me about it, I was able to confirm and elaborate rather than contradict and re-teach.

As I understand it, even in humans with renal failure they are starting to realize that going low protein too soon in the course of the disease undermines general health and leads to greater weakness overall. And naturally not all doctors have caught up. With cats, as I understand it, since they are obligate carnivores, they are designed to thrive on eating prey animals and their digestive systems are not designed to handle plant-based foods. So it is even more perilous to start a cat in renal failure on a low protein diet too soon. Which diet leads to one's elimation systems dealing with fewer toxins: nutrient-dense food that satisfies one's needs with a relatively small amount of food; or food diluted with fillers that causes one to eat more in order to meed the body's needs and ultimately causes other health problems due to the poor quality?

When Harvey first had struvite crystals in his urine, I was still feeding him Purina. I followed the vet's advice to start him on whatever Hill's Prescription food. That was higher quality food. So he ate less and was generally healthier. But it was not until I learned enough about feline nutrition to suspect Harvey had some food allergies, and so switched him to the Iams low-pH and then learned enough to be unsatisfied with that quality that I rebelled against veterinary advice. I started feeding him half Iams Veterinary food, and half even higher quality foods such as Merrick, Natural Balance, Evo, Nature's Variety, etc. I also flat-out refused any suggestions to re-introduce dry food to his diet. He got even healthier. Then when Iams changed their formula to include fish, I dug my heels in and refused to feed it to Harvey any more. We went a few rounds with medication to acidify his urine, but it made him nauseated. When we retested his urine to see just how necessary the medication was, it turned out he was doing just fine on the better foods with no need for medication. And on these quaity foods, he eats even less. One 5.5 oz can feeds both cats for a day.

FLUTD is not the same as renal failure. I know I would have to think long and hard before defying veterinary advice in that event. But I think I would hold out until the end stages before switching to a low protein diet.


Burrell - Mar 02, 2015 7:40:42 am PST #17520 of 30002
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

This would definitely be early stages of renal disease, WS, so thank you for your advice. She is 16 and has always had a thing about drinking lots and lots of water, and consequently she urinates frequently. I've had her checked for diabetes regularly, but tests say no. The only thing off about her latest tests was higher liver panels.

We already feed her Merrick Purrfect Bistro wet food and have been for years, We put out dry for her, but she eats roughly one 5.5oz can of food a day and maybe 1/8 cu of dry food. The flavors they gave us to try were Canidae and Hills. She preferred the Canidae, and it seems like a better brand. But from what you are saying it's probably too early to switch her to the renal diet food, since that's a lower protein diet.


Anne W. - Mar 02, 2015 8:01:11 am PST #17521 of 30002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Thanks, Andi! That's good to hear. My vets, although they're awesome in so many ways, put a lot of reliance on Hill's prescription products.


sj - Mar 02, 2015 8:23:43 am PST #17522 of 30002
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

The blood test was negative for neural tube defects (like Spina Bifida)! We won't know for sure that there isn't one until our ultrasound in a couple of weeks, but I'm still relieved.


Maria - Mar 02, 2015 8:33:09 am PST #17523 of 30002
Not so nice is that I'm about to ruin a Friday morning for a bunch of people because of a series of unfortunate events and an upset foreign government. - shrift

Yay, sj! That's wonderful news.


sj - Mar 02, 2015 8:35:39 am PST #17524 of 30002
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Thanks, Maria. I know that things can still go wrong, but I feel like I can breathe a bit easier now.


Calli - Mar 02, 2015 8:41:45 am PST #17525 of 30002
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

That's great, sj!


WindSparrow - Mar 02, 2015 8:42:03 am PST #17526 of 30002
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

The flavors they gave us to try were Canidae and Hills. She preferred the Canidae, and it seems like a better brand.

I don't think Canidae is quite as good as Merrick, but if Canidae had any varieties without any of Harvey's allergens, I'd still have it in my cupboard. So yeah, when the time comes, go for Canidae. You know, some of the other premium brands do specialized veterinary formulas. I'll have a look around this afternoon and see if there are any other quality options out there.


WindSparrow - Mar 02, 2015 8:42:41 am PST #17527 of 30002
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

That is good news, indeed, sj.


Burrell - Mar 02, 2015 9:02:45 am PST #17528 of 30002
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Great news, sj!

And thanks again, Andi!