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Spike's Bitches 48: I Say, We Go Out There, and Kick a Little Demon Ass.  

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Connie Neil - Sep 18, 2014 2:35:04 pm PDT #13338 of 30002
brillig

I'm sure people on all sides of academic hiring are used to contingencies pending unexpected opportunities.


Hil R. - Sep 18, 2014 2:35:23 pm PDT #13339 of 30002
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

It's not TT, still just a lecturer position, but in a place where I'd be much happier living, I think.


Rick - Sep 18, 2014 2:43:35 pm PDT #13340 of 30002

Assuming that you really like the new job. . .

If you were in my department you would tell the other school that you were still interested, that you had an appointment through the end of the academic year, but that there was room to negotiate an earlier start if it was important.

Sometimes they are just stating a preference for start and don't actually care that much, in which case they will tell you so.

If the job really depends on the January start, and they offer it to you, and you want it, you will have to go to your chair and explain that you need to leave at the end of the semester for the sake of your career. It will be a nuisance for them to cover your teaching, of course, but no one really thinks that a one-year contract should hold people back from career advancement. If a department is filling its teaching with short-term positions it give them flexibility, but there are instabilities that come with that, and they are a reflection on the job, not people looking for a better situation.

We've put our lecturers on five-year contracts renewable in the fourth year, so they have greater security and greater commitment to our program and it's future. We now get excellent people who are innovative and dedicated teachers. They buy a house and settle in. It has really transformed our undergraduate program to have so much high-quality teaching.

But if we were still offering one-year contracts no one would be mad if the person bolted for a better opportunity at mid-year.

I know nothing of Math departments and their culture, though. Psychologists are under a certain pressure not to be jerks, at least not out in the open.


Hil R. - Sep 18, 2014 2:47:52 pm PDT #13341 of 30002
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

We've put our lecturers on five-year contracts renewable in the fourth year, so they have greater security and greater commitment to our program and it's future.

Our department used to put people on three-year contracts once they'd been working at the department for a few years, but they stopped that a few years ago for budget reasons -- the multi-year contracts are paid from a different fund than the one-year contracts, and the one-year fund had extra money while the multi-year fund was tight.


meara - Sep 18, 2014 2:49:39 pm PDT #13342 of 30002

We've put our lecturers on five-year contracts renewable in the fourth year, so they have greater security and greater commitment to our program and it's future.

That's pretty cool!


Burrell - Sep 18, 2014 3:00:21 pm PDT #13343 of 30002
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

We've put our lecturers on five-year contracts renewable in the fourth year, so they have greater security and greater commitment to our program and it's future. We now get excellent people who are innovative and dedicated teachers. They buy a house and settle in. It has really transformed our undergraduate program to have so much high-quality teaching.

Our program is also 3-year renewable for the same reasons.

I agree with Rick that you should feel comfortable breaking the contract if you want the other position.


Burrell - Sep 18, 2014 3:00:23 pm PDT #13344 of 30002
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

askye - Sep 18, 2014 4:09:29 pm PDT #13345 of 30002
Thrive to spite them

Hil, I think you should puruse this, but I don't know how academia works. If you think you'll be happier living where the other college is and happier working there it make sense to go for it.

I'll be going to Boston in November. Well, I guess Foxborough even though the work literature says Boxborough. The company is trying a new thing where instead of sending just the store managers to Market Training/Vendor shows, they are sending full time employees. I don't know if all the full timers are going or only some. But the idea is that instead of having ht managers sit through all the meetings and then go through the market training and then having to back to the store and share the info with the staff (where the managers will probably forget a bunch of stuff) - send the staff. Plus instead of thinking it's a chore the full time sales employees will think it's a treat. Maybe.

We have a choice of three days and it's drive down the day before, go to the training, then drive back that same day.


Vortex - Sep 18, 2014 6:10:40 pm PDT #13346 of 30002
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

People who know about academic stuff: I just got an email from one of the schools I applied to last year, saying that they're looking to hire someone starting in January, and want to know if I'm interested.

How long is the position for? If it's a multi year position, I think that it may be worth pursuing.

Also, tell them that you're interested, but have committed to the school year where you are. If they want you, they can probably wait. I know that if this were my school, we would have just been told that someone is going on sabbatical/leaving in January and are trying to fill the spot.


DebetEsse - Sep 18, 2014 9:57:11 pm PDT #13347 of 30002
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Oh, anxiety insomnia, how I have to missed you.