Simon: You are my beautiful sister. River: I threw up on your bed. Simon: Yep. Definitely my sister.

'War Stories'


Natter 71: Someone is wrong on the Internet  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


DavidS - Dec 14, 2012 1:22:33 pm PST #4560 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

This is why speculation in front of the facts is not good.

I am not a news organization. I am not disseminating the information to the world at large. I am talking about it to a closed circle of friends.

There's a difference.


P.M. Marc - Dec 14, 2012 1:26:22 pm PST #4561 of 30001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

There's a difference.

The desire of the individual to have information before there is information to be had drives the news organizations. If there wasn't an audience for speculation, they wouldn't be reporting ahead of the facts.

So, no. There's not.


P.M. Marc - Dec 14, 2012 1:29:20 pm PST #4562 of 30001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

(I do understand the impulse, to be clear. People want to know and understand something not understandable. I still think that at all levels it does more harm than good.)


DavidS - Dec 14, 2012 1:32:36 pm PST #4563 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I'm sorry, but "audience for speculation" is a specious bit of bullshit.

The word for that is "curiosity." That's not what's wrong with the news cycle.

So, no. There's not.

I disagree. There's a huge difference between the responsibility for a news organization to have all the facts confirmed before making a report and people discussing what may or may not have happened.

There is absolutely no negative impact to inquiring, and the implication that it's some kind of morbid impulse in baseless gossip is pretty far from my desire to get a handle on it.


Kat - Dec 14, 2012 1:39:22 pm PST #4564 of 30001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

FTR, I totally get what you are saying, Plei. I think without actually sensible, confirmed information, it is all speculative and sort of kneejerky.

Anyone hear from ita?


P.M. Marc - Dec 14, 2012 1:39:51 pm PST #4565 of 30001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I'm sorry, but "audience for speculation" is a specious bit of bullshit.

Dude, Paul used to work in news. He worked in news for YEARS. It's really, really not. How do you think TV news *works*? The whole mindset is driven by what can get the eyes on them, what does the audience want. And it's only got worse over the last decade.

This is on both a local and national level.


P.M. Marc - Dec 14, 2012 1:42:17 pm PST #4566 of 30001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

And in its separate post

There is absolutely no negative impact to inquiring, and the implication that it's some kind of morbid impulse in baseless gossip is pretty far from my desire to get a handle on it.

I said in my follow up that I understand the impulse to try to wrap our heads around it. But wrapping our heads around it is not the same thing as saying, "hey, someone on ABS said it was Joe Schmoe in the basement with the lead pipe, and someone thinks they've found Joe's Facebook page."


Beverly - Dec 14, 2012 1:55:13 pm PST #4567 of 30001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Thanks for asking, Kat. I've been wondering about her, too.

I'm just...waving feebly, and not commenting on events of note.


Tom Scola - Dec 14, 2012 2:00:52 pm PST #4568 of 30001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Gunman's mother owned weapons used in Connecticut school massacre


le nubian - Dec 14, 2012 2:06:08 pm PST #4569 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Supposedly the gunman's brother hadn't spoken to him since 2010. Do you think they have the same mother?