What'd you all order a dead guy for?

Jayne ,'The Message'


Natter 71: Someone is wrong on the Internet  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


erikaj - Dec 14, 2012 11:10:45 am PST #4532 of 30001
Always Anti-fascist!

Lots of people are that, especially now, hopefully they aren't all looking for a "Second Amendment remedy."


DavidS - Dec 14, 2012 11:13:39 am PST #4533 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Interesting.

UPDATE: NBC and CNN have retracted the identification of Ryan Lanza as the name of gunman of the Newtown school massacre. The New York Post and NBC's Pete Williams have reported it could be Lanza's brother, Adam, 20.

That might explain some of the confusion about (a) whether the shooter was 20 or 24, or (b) why there were initial reports of two shooters.

Yeesh.


Frankenbuddha - Dec 14, 2012 11:15:06 am PST #4534 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

On a broader cultural level, I do think there's a kind of rot and sickness in the American sense of entitlement.

Which I find at odds with the whole individualistic, make your own way part of American culture.

Although contradictions haven't stopped people from being anti-choice yet pro-death penalty.

I suppose some people feel they tried to make their own way, failed, which they blame on some form of "them", and so someone else has to pay too preferably "them" but whoever might get in the way will do in pinch.


brenda m - Dec 14, 2012 11:17:02 am PST #4535 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

President Obama, Today Is the Day To Politicize This Tragedy


DavidS - Dec 14, 2012 11:22:17 am PST #4536 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I suppose some people feel they tried to make their own way, failed, which they blame on some form of "them", and so someone else has to pay too preferably "them" but whoever might get in the way will do in pinch.

I think it's something like this. What started off as an ethos of self-reliance mutates when you peg those virtues as being the source of American Exceptionalism. Then once you're Exceptional you just deserve awesomesauce on everything and are not accountable for droning around the world and torturing Bad Guys, or shooting up shit when you feel bad.


Jesse - Dec 14, 2012 11:44:35 am PST #4537 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

That might explain some of the confusion about (a) whether the shooter was 20 or 24, or (b) why there were initial reports of two shooters.

One more reason why it's a bad idea to try to Understand anything from a suspect's Facebook page -- it might not even be the right name, much less the right person.

I just had a glass of wine at work, and I really don't understand three-martini lunches. Or, I do, and it makes me understand how productivity has gone up so much.


brenda m - Dec 14, 2012 12:06:13 pm PST #4538 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I want a glass of wine so bad right now.


msbelle - Dec 14, 2012 12:14:34 pm PST #4539 of 30001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

Npr coverage seems to be very cautious and not releasing unconfirmed information.


DavidS - Dec 14, 2012 12:15:22 pm PST #4540 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

One more reason why it's a bad idea to try to Understand anything from a suspect's Facebook page -- it might not even be the right name, much less the right person.

I really don't see why speculation is a bad idea, or piecing the story together. It would be one thing if there were people directly involved, but that wasn't the case. I was able to get a bead on the story much more quickly by piecing the bits and pieces that weren't reported immediately because they were unconfirmed or corroborated. Some of it was wrong and I mentioned that.

But many of the early rumors were true: a parent was killed away from the school, the principal was killed, most of the student killings were an entire classroom, it wasn't a parent but it was somebody with a connection to the school (so not random, or terrorist), etc.

I was never advocating bombing somebody's FB page or doing anything rash, so why not speculate? That's how you figure out what happened.


flea - Dec 14, 2012 12:15:57 pm PST #4541 of 30001
information libertarian

We are watching Mike Rowe paint the Mackinaw Bridge and eating homemade cookies. Evils of the world be damned.