Saffron: You won't tell anyone about me breaking down? Mal: I won't. Saffron: Then I won't tell anyone how easily I got your gun out of your holster. Mal: I'll take that as a kindness.

'Trash'


Natter 71: Someone is wrong on the Internet  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Connie Neil - Nov 11, 2012 7:54:21 am PST #414 of 30001
brillig

Hubby has picked up the line I came up with, that Democrats have sex scandals and Republicans have money scandals, so you should become a Democrat and get laid.


le nubian - Nov 11, 2012 7:57:58 am PST #415 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

P4 does stand for Petraeus and I picked it up because I don't feel like double-checking the spelling every time. He is a 4-star general. P4.


DavidS - Nov 11, 2012 7:58:38 am PST #416 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

From what I gather he isn't resigning because of adultery, but for exposure of information (email) to a crazy person. (short version)

Apparently Broadwell broke up with him after he became head of CIA and he wrote her thousands of emails and texts to get her back.

Does "P4" stand for Petraeus?

It does. Because he's a four star general, I guess?


le nubian - Nov 11, 2012 7:59:28 am PST #417 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I do find it interesting that adultery is seen as worse than killing large numbers of innocent people.

Right wingers complaining about P4 resigning do not care about this. Of course you are right, it is kind of ridiculous, but I file it away in the same irony category of mobsters getting caught through the IRS. After Clinton's impeachment, it is all kind of bullshit.


le nubian - Nov 11, 2012 8:05:41 am PST #418 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Hec,

then why did Broadwell write P4's other mistress a VERY threatening email?


Volans - Nov 11, 2012 8:08:01 am PST #419 of 30001
move out and draw fire

For irony, I like this article from Nov 5: "General Petraeus' Rules for Living" : [link]


DavidS - Nov 11, 2012 8:13:13 am PST #420 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

then why did Broadwell write P4's other mistress a VERY threatening email?

I don't know, but I'd guess that she probably still had feelings for him and was warning off the other woman. She might have only broken up with him because she understood that having an affair as CIA director was considered way more compromising than having an affair as a general.

As Stephanie notes, affairs are not uncommon in the military and tolerated. In spy biz, they create exposure.


Laura - Nov 11, 2012 8:15:32 am PST #421 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

Nov 5th! Wow, Raq. That is interesting timing although I have no idea when it may have been submitted compared to when it was published. She certainly was writing about him up to the last moment. Can't say the rules are half bad though.


le nubian - Nov 11, 2012 8:26:01 am PST #422 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

She is writing another book about him! And apparently she still needs to finish her dissertation - which is about him.

Yes, I know about affairs in the military - despite their code of conduct that they aren't supposed to have affairs, blah blah. I am just struck that someone who had a distinguished career in military intelligence could have behaved so rashly as sending a threatening email message. It just seems extraordinary.

Broadwell also very much enjoyed the access she had to him. She kept in close contact with him when he became head of the CIA - in ways that his CIA staff found puzzling. Oh well. One for the books.

I feel badly for P4's wife and sons, and for Broadwell's husband and kids.


Volans - Nov 11, 2012 8:27:36 am PST #423 of 30001
move out and draw fire

This is the thing that makes me nuts...he was a good leader, should have been a 5-star general (if we actually bothered to DECLARE war anymore instead of just waging it), by all accounts was well-respected and liked at the CIA, and like most of the leaders we tend to admire, had at least one affair.

To me, the part that DQs him was all the judgment issues that come into play because he had to hide the affair. The use of gmail probably wasn't exposing CIA computers, but using an account that exposed his address book was dumb.

I felt this way about Clinton also - I couldn't care less if he was schtupping Lewinsky, but I was concerned that his attention was divided when he should have been thinking with his big brain, and I was really disappointed that he lied about it.

At least Petraeus didn't lie and did take the responsibility.

So far the craziest thing I've heard about it: One of my developers said "The Onion broke this story two months ago, but the mainstream media covered it up to protect Obama prior to the election."