You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with until you understand who's in ruttin' command here.

Jayne ,'The Train Job'


Natter 71: Someone is wrong on the Internet  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Laura - Nov 11, 2012 8:15:32 am PST #421 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

Nov 5th! Wow, Raq. That is interesting timing although I have no idea when it may have been submitted compared to when it was published. She certainly was writing about him up to the last moment. Can't say the rules are half bad though.


le nubian - Nov 11, 2012 8:26:01 am PST #422 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

She is writing another book about him! And apparently she still needs to finish her dissertation - which is about him.

Yes, I know about affairs in the military - despite their code of conduct that they aren't supposed to have affairs, blah blah. I am just struck that someone who had a distinguished career in military intelligence could have behaved so rashly as sending a threatening email message. It just seems extraordinary.

Broadwell also very much enjoyed the access she had to him. She kept in close contact with him when he became head of the CIA - in ways that his CIA staff found puzzling. Oh well. One for the books.

I feel badly for P4's wife and sons, and for Broadwell's husband and kids.


Volans - Nov 11, 2012 8:27:36 am PST #423 of 30001
move out and draw fire

This is the thing that makes me nuts...he was a good leader, should have been a 5-star general (if we actually bothered to DECLARE war anymore instead of just waging it), by all accounts was well-respected and liked at the CIA, and like most of the leaders we tend to admire, had at least one affair.

To me, the part that DQs him was all the judgment issues that come into play because he had to hide the affair. The use of gmail probably wasn't exposing CIA computers, but using an account that exposed his address book was dumb.

I felt this way about Clinton also - I couldn't care less if he was schtupping Lewinsky, but I was concerned that his attention was divided when he should have been thinking with his big brain, and I was really disappointed that he lied about it.

At least Petraeus didn't lie and did take the responsibility.

So far the craziest thing I've heard about it: One of my developers said "The Onion broke this story two months ago, but the mainstream media covered it up to protect Obama prior to the election."


DavidS - Nov 11, 2012 8:34:24 am PST #424 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

It just seems extraordinary.

That's why it's such a juicy story!

It'd be like the King of England giving up his throne for some American divorcee.


Kalshane - Nov 11, 2012 8:37:02 am PST #425 of 30001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

So far the craziest thing I've heard about it: One of my developers said "The Onion broke this story two months ago, but the mainstream media covered it up to protect Obama prior to the election."

Wow. Did he really mean The Onion, or was he confusing them with another site? Not denying the crazy, here, just trying to define the exact level.


Volans - Nov 11, 2012 8:39:39 am PST #426 of 30001
move out and draw fire

He really meant The Onion. I asked.


le nubian - Nov 11, 2012 8:42:54 am PST #427 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

What Kalshane said.

Raq, I think that there are some questions raised about his military leadership. By all accounts, there are areas in which he excelled, but as I understand it there are some tactical problems with his leadership that probably could be discussed thoroughly.

Nevertheless, the way he conducted this matter does speak to some judgment issues that may reveal some deeper issues that the US public may not know/ever know about.


le nubian - Nov 11, 2012 8:43:06 am PST #428 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Damn Raq.


le nubian - Nov 11, 2012 9:29:03 am PST #429 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

found an article about Broadwell:

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Apparently she had some poor judgment too. For someone supposedly as well-traveled as she was, why she was not aware of dressing standards in Afghanistan is beyond me. I know this and I have never been to the Middle East.


Jesse - Nov 11, 2012 9:35:41 am PST #430 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

"The Onion broke this story two months ago, but the mainstream media covered it up to protect Obama prior to the election."

That...is fantastic.

I also found this moderately-spoilery comment from Monday's Homeland recap on Vulture to be ironically relevant:

Thanks to Homeland, how many cheating Washington mates are going to use, “I’m working for the CIA” as an all-purpose alibi? It sounds so much better than “I’m working late at the office.” And you can’t press too hard because of “national security.”