Willow: Something evil-crashed to earth in this. Then it broke out and slithered away to do badness. Giles: Well, in all fairness, we don't really know about the "slithered" part. Anya: No, no, I'm sure it frisked about like a fluffy lamb.

'Never Leave Me'


Natter 71: Someone is wrong on the Internet  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jesse - Nov 27, 2012 3:10:27 pm PST #2374 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Exciting, -t! I always vote suit, but you don't necessarily have to get that dolled up.

largely because of disease (accidentally transmitted, because nobody got germs theory at that point).

Do I recall right that there were no casually transmitted diseases in the Americas until whitey got here?


flea - Nov 27, 2012 3:14:30 pm PST #2375 of 30001
information libertarian

Jesse: [link]

Osteologic data demonstrate that native groups were most definitely not living in a pristine, disease-free environment before contact. Although New World indigenous disease was mostly of the chronic and episodic kind, Old World diseases were largely acute and epidemic. Different populations were affected at different times and suffered varying rates of mortality.19 Diseases such as treponemiasis and tuberculosis were already present in the New World, along with diseases such as tularemia, giardia, rabies, amebic dysentery, hepatitis, herpes, pertussis, and poliomyelitis, although the prevalence of almost all of these was probably low in any given group.14 Old World diseases that were not present in the Americas until contact include bubonic plague, measles, smallpox, mumps, chickenpox, influenza, cholera, diphtheria, typhus, malaria, leprosy, and yellow fever.19 Indians in the Americas had no acquired immunity to these infectious diseases, and these diseases caused what Crosby referred to as “virgin soil epidemics,” in which all members of a population would be infected simultaneously.20


Jesse - Nov 27, 2012 3:17:41 pm PST #2376 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Yikes. People are a mess, even when they aren't trying.


smonster - Nov 27, 2012 3:27:55 pm PST #2377 of 30001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

I listened to that TAL episode today. Incredibly depressing.

msbelle, insent.


-t - Nov 27, 2012 3:28:16 pm PST #2378 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I don't have a suit, but I could do black pants and black blazer. Or a black skirt and a black blazer. And then a white shirt, or green shirt, or possibly red shirt.

Oh, I do have a suit, but it's a black skirt and a floral print jacket, not exactly conservative looking. Hm.

This is an excellent prospect for a first interview, in the sense that it's a job I could do and wouldn't mind doing, but I won't be heartbroken if I don't get it. Pretty low stress.


Jesse - Nov 27, 2012 3:35:09 pm PST #2379 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Green shirt! (I always vote green shirt, I think.) Blazer and whatever.


smonster - Nov 27, 2012 3:37:21 pm PST #2380 of 30001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

I vote green shirt, too.


Theodosia - Nov 27, 2012 3:38:47 pm PST #2381 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Let me recommend two excellent books, 1491 and 1493, which really deal with what's known about Native American populations and civilizations before and after Columbus.

Basically, if you want to go the alternate history route, you're going to have to allow for the conceptual antithesis of decimation -- where 9 out of 10 of your native population dies over a hundred year period.


-t - Nov 27, 2012 3:39:20 pm PST #2382 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Very good. Thanks for making my decisions for me!


le nubian - Nov 27, 2012 3:42:53 pm PST #2383 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

damn Theo. That's grim too.