When I was a kid, I can remember being SUPER EXCITED that I get to go to sleep. I still feel that way.

I sure feel that way NOW.

my youngest sister always went to bed early - and still does. And she gets up early.

the middle sister is a bit more flexible- but tends toward the early to bed , early to rise.

As a kid, sleep seemed like a waste of time. As I grew older, I liked being awake when the rest of the house was sleeping. and I liked to sleep later.

I've learned to go to sleep earlier - but not before 11 is best - or I will wake up.

So I have a completely untested theory -- that there should be a bedtime and routine.. but going to bed does not have to mean instant sleep. It might mean books or music for some time before falling asleep. a quieting. I would have fought bedtime less if it meant books. but I have no kids so i am all theory

Mercy. I'd have given anything for peaceful sleep until my early 40's. No kidding.

Now, with the super squishy bed and blackout curtain. I'm in heaven.

And yet, I'm still up at 1am.

No biscuit, me.

Maybe I DO need a routine.

My mom did that with me, beth. And I did it with my kids. "It's naptime. You're going to stay in this room for X amount of time, and I don't care what you do." Most kids will be so intrigued that they can play quietly, they fall asleep anyway.

Some kids are desperately afraid that they will miss something if they go to sleep. It's like the party will start the instant their eyes close.

Some kids do not recognize when they're getting tired and instead get cranky and fighty.

Some kids go to sleep easily but wake up several times in the night and then can't get back to sleep.

My goddaughter puts herself to sleep. She will announce "good night" loudly and go into her room and pull the covers over her head. She gets very cranky if we insist on things like brushing teeth or changing into pajamas.

My parents stopped putting me to bed when I was three or so. I mostly stuck to my bed, but they handed me the book and said "you know it by heart, learn to read the others, we're out" and we created our routines. We even instituted goodnight kisses at some point, and my parents were all "whose are these, why are they lippy?"

Blessedly I don't have kids to teach me reality, but our norm was not like what I read about. In the US, anyway.

goddamn Time Warner DVR in the middle of watching Survivor crapped out and re-booted automatically.

Juliebird, they really aren't going to throw you in jail for this. They are going to have a fine and maybe make you do some paperwork or classes at worst. It will cost money, yes, but they aren't doing more. It is, comparatively, a gimme.

I know it's horribly stressful and it's going to cost money and it has already cost that and mental ease, but it will be okay.

No books, no songs, no playtime, no conversation, no requests for water, no struggle. Just sleep.

I need to be sleep trained maybe.

Or the world needs to accept that we can brush our teeth, say goodnight, maybe hear a story and the world still won't shut the fuck off sometimes. Even with meds.

I was up all night last night. Just kinda lying there. Until my alarm went off early. Then I got up. But I tried all night to sleep first.

Tonight I am exhausted and hoping I can steer that toward actually sleeping.

goddamn Time Warner DVR in the middle of watching Survivor crapped out and re-booted automatically.

I am assuming this is in Natter and not Tech because we are just so fucking used to it?

If you want to punch them in the face, I will totally provide an alibi. I was rebooting at the time. And you were with me.