Funny thing about black and white. You mix it together and you get gray. And it doesn't matter how much white you try and put back in, you're never gonna get anything but gray.

Lilah ,'Destiny'


Natter 71: Someone is wrong on the Internet  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


meara - Nov 23, 2012 8:45:26 am PST #1869 of 30001

Not sure what I'm doing today. What I should do: clean. What I will likely do: watch TV. I would LIKE to go shopping, except that I want to just go regular-day shopping, not black-Friday-shopping, so I will probably avoid.


Ginger - Nov 23, 2012 9:02:03 am PST #1870 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

practically everyone he talked to claimed, "My grandmother said that her grandmother was Cherokee"

There's an excerpt on the subject from Vine Deloria's Custer Died for Your Sins: An Indian Manifesto in this [link] As I recall, Deloria also does an estimate of the ridiculous millions of Indians there had to be to produce all these Indian descendants.

I have no legends of Indian ancestors in my family, but there is the one about a princess who ran off with a coachman.


meara - Nov 23, 2012 9:10:40 am PST #1871 of 30001

Yeah, no Indian princesses in my family history, just melancholic Danes and backwoods tavern-owners.

Catching up on Good Wife, and eating pie. Nom.


erikaj - Nov 23, 2012 9:13:46 am PST #1872 of 30001
Always Anti-fascist!

No princesses...could be a shaman. Although my grandfather said everybody said that, too.


Jesse - Nov 23, 2012 9:20:09 am PST #1873 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I have one! Not a princess, but supposedly my ancestor was the first Frenchman to actually marry an Indian woman. Which is at least historically possible.

Had a very nice time shopping and lunching with my mom! Bought a couple of things and got some additional ideas, so that was good.


-t - Nov 23, 2012 9:29:56 am PST #1874 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

My great-great-grandfather went to live with a tribe. I don't know which one, because he abandoned my great-great-grandmother and their kids to do it, and the story that was passed down was her side of it.


Sheryl - Nov 23, 2012 9:32:32 am PST #1875 of 30001
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

Since my family didn't arrive here until the late 19th/early 20th century(and didn't tend to do interfaith marriage), no Indian princesses in my family tree.


Pix - Nov 23, 2012 9:53:20 am PST #1876 of 30001
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie

There are stories of Native American ancestry in my family tree, but I've never done the research or the DNA testing to validate. Both sides of my family have roots in 1600s New England, though, so it's plausible.


§ ita § - Nov 23, 2012 10:02:42 am PST #1877 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Another thing that confuses--20 years ago in Canada it was mandatory pretty much (at the idealistic university level) to say First Nations over and above any other term for the more indigenous people. Not only do I not know if there's a similarly not-linked-to-America term for the US, I don't even know if it's still the right term to use in Canada.

I'm having a parallel conversation with my sister about the Cherokee tribe's resistance to accepting black people with documented Cherokee heritage. Similar "why can't we fucked over all get along?" sentiments there.


msbelle - Nov 23, 2012 10:12:13 am PST #1878 of 30001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

Mac and I are breaking for lunch. We have sold 2 bags of books, bought part of a gift, found 2 shirts on sale at Target while looking for holiday pjs, got 3 stocking stuffers, and looked 2 places for iTouch cases.

After lunch is Petco and old navy, then mall kiosks for the case. Probable stops at jcp also.