It's because you didn't have a strong father figure isn't it?

Joyce ,'Chosen'


Natter 71: Someone is wrong on the Internet  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Zenkitty - Mar 29, 2013 7:21:40 am PDT #16486 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

brenda, I was watching a documentary about, among other things, a scientist who had proved (to his satisfaction) that animals don't have a "theory of mind" - they don't know other creatures have minds like they do. I called BS on both his flawed experiment and his conclusion. I've lived with animals my whole life - the idea that they think we're mindless automatons, like animated furniture, makes no sense to me. There has to be some awareness that there's another mind there that they have to connect with in order to get what they want, otherwise they wouldn't have a connection from "she can see me" to "doing the begging dance". They'd be doing their manipulative behaviors even when we can't see them.

This probably wasn't very well thought out.


tommyrot - Mar 29, 2013 7:30:37 am PDT #16487 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Years ago I lived with a cat that loved to steal toast. Once I was on the couch with toast and the kitty was climbing all over me trying to get it. When that failed, she got off the couch, walked away and then approached the couch from the other side. I think it's pretty clear she was thinking that maybe I wasn't watching that side of the couch. That counts as a "theory of mind," right?


erikaj - Mar 29, 2013 7:31:27 am PDT #16488 of 30001
"already on the kiss-cam with Karl Marx"-

Well, yeah, and I definitely think the cats relate to each other. And the dog.(They seem to have a scratching post rotation worked out.)


Zenkitty - Mar 29, 2013 7:42:30 am PDT #16489 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

tommy, I think she knew there was a "you" there watching her. But it's really hard to prove that another being has a conscious mind. Similarly, it's going to take an awful lot to prove to me that something with a functioning brain, that interacts with me, *doesn't* have a mind. If they thought we were all just moving furniture, they'd interact with all of us the same way. They don't; they know that different humans respond differently to their antics.

Hell, we haven't yet proven that WE have consciousness, never mind proving that animals *don't*. There are scientists who think we don't, that our minds are illusions. I think that in order for there to be an illusion, there has to be a mind to be fooled, but what do I know.


tommyrot - Mar 29, 2013 8:13:19 am PDT #16490 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Teppy alert!

Carved Wood Batman Coffee Tables

Somehow the nice pretty wood finish doesn't seem to work well on a Batman coffee table. The black one is better, but I think steel would be the best material. Or carbon fiber.


-t - Mar 29, 2013 8:26:01 am PDT #16491 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Yeah the wood is pretty but the black looks more Batmanesque (I need a excuse to say Batmanuelesque, will have to think on that). I like the curved legs, though.

PSA for people who aren't near a TJs and are not boycotting Amazon: you can apparently buy Cookie Butter (and presumably other TJ products, that's just the one I was googling when this result came up) from Amazon. If the cravings get bad, it's an option.


Theodosia - Mar 29, 2013 8:34:10 am PDT #16492 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Just this morning I was thinking about our old cat, Puck, who would position herself in the room about dinner time, presumably sitting and staring at you. But she wouldn't start meowing (and meowing...and meowing...) until she knew you'd seen her. I used to tease her by just turning enough to see her out of the corner of my eye to make sure she was still there....

(This was the same cat who would wake up my roommate by licking her owner's eyelids.)


§ ita § - Mar 29, 2013 8:56:40 am PDT #16493 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

This is kind of random, but for Sons Of Anarchy (still have trouble spelling that right--thanks, Deb) fans, I just stumbled on a bunch of fanart portraits: [link]


Dana - Mar 29, 2013 9:17:00 am PDT #16494 of 30001
I haven't trusted science since I saw the film "Flubber."

The captions on the Netflix show I'm watching just described the sound of a "gun caulking."


tommyrot - Mar 29, 2013 9:21:41 am PDT #16495 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Guns can let a lot of cold air into your house in winter if they're not caulked.